WEBVTT 00:00:00.017 --> 00:00:05.485 This is the Concealed Carry Podcast, Season 14, Episode 13. 00:00:15.661 --> 00:00:20.392 And welcome to the Concealed Carry Podcast, part of the ConcealedCarry.com network. 00:00:21.739 --> 00:00:24.972 I'm your host, Riley Bowman, joined today by co-host Jacob Paulson. 00:00:25.332 --> 00:00:25.715 I'm here. 00:00:26.464 --> 00:00:28.612 I think I forgot to mention the title sponsor, HK. 00:00:29.181 --> 00:00:30.924 Yeah, HK, title sponsor, good job. 00:00:30.924 --> 00:00:33.999 Sorry about that. This is the Concealed Carry Podcast brought to you by HK. 00:00:35.424 --> 00:00:38.782 I knew something seemed off as I was doing the initial intro there. 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:43.584 We're glad to be with you all. This is a special episode today with Justified 00:00:43.584 --> 00:00:46.784 Saves and combined with other news we're going to share because we're a little 00:00:46.784 --> 00:00:50.218 behind on some of that. And there's been some big news recently. 00:00:50.857 --> 00:00:54.154 A lot of people coming down off of this week's midterm elections probably have 00:00:54.154 --> 00:00:55.419 some thoughts about that. 00:00:56.964 --> 00:00:58.944 But there's a bunch of other things, plus Justified Saves stories. 00:00:58.944 --> 00:01:01.619 We've got some good ones we're going to share with you. And if you stick around 00:01:01.776 --> 00:01:06.614 later in the episode, we're going to go a little deeper on one of those stories, 00:01:06.614 --> 00:01:08.968 which is going to be about the Bend, Oregon shooting. 00:01:09.607 --> 00:01:14.724 It's been several weeks now since that occurred. More information out. 00:01:16.064 --> 00:01:19.736 I think when we last did Justified to Save this episode was right after that happened. 00:01:20.253 --> 00:01:23.414 It was just a little too soon to really talk about it, but we'll talk about 00:01:23.414 --> 00:01:26.163 it in today's episode. So, 00:01:28.464 --> 00:01:32.504 stick around for the whole episode so that you get our take on that Bend, 00:01:32.504 --> 00:01:34.197 Oregon school shooting. 00:01:35.921 --> 00:01:41.684 Today's episode is sponsored and brought to you by CCWSAFE because, 00:01:41.684 --> 00:01:44.430 well, today is a Justified Saves episode. 00:01:45.144 --> 00:01:52.154 We always have CCWSAFE on board, sponsoring our Justified SAVE episode, 00:01:52.154 --> 00:01:54.584 so, Jacob, I'm going to hand it off to you. 00:01:54.984 --> 00:01:57.328 Why don't you talk to the folks about CCWSAFE? 00:01:58.060 --> 00:02:00.846 CCWSAFE equal very smart idea. 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:09.633 You know, I think people, if you've been following our website, 00:02:09.633 --> 00:02:14.006 you know I recently watched the George Zimmerman trial recording. 00:02:14.773 --> 00:02:19.730 Almost 90 hours of video I watched. And George did not have any sort of protection 00:02:20.229 --> 00:02:22.580 like CCW Safe or anything else for that matter. 00:02:23.340 --> 00:02:29.793 And frankly, the only thing that was good about the media attention that George 00:02:29.793 --> 00:02:34.973 got is it allowed him to crowdfund some money to pay his attorneys. Right. 00:02:35.874 --> 00:02:36.135 Yeah. 00:02:37.275 --> 00:02:40.615 That was like, you know, his buddy published a book and the proceeds from the 00:02:40.615 --> 00:02:44.069 book went into his legal fund. People were donating money online. 00:02:44.469 --> 00:02:48.655 You know, so like, unfortunately, all the publicity is the reason he got charged 00:02:48.655 --> 00:02:50.472 and had to go to trial to begin with. Yeah. 00:02:50.646 --> 00:02:53.101 But also that publicity helped pay his lawyers. 00:02:53.815 --> 00:02:59.818 But not nearly what they were owed. I don't think I asked permission to share the number. 00:03:00.050 --> 00:03:03.144 But I've heard the dollar figure of what his defense was supposed to have cost 00:03:03.707 --> 00:03:07.225 and what he actually ended up being able to pay his legal team. 00:03:07.742 --> 00:03:12.316 And it was a small fraction of what he should have paid them. 00:03:12.955 --> 00:03:17.192 They ultimately lost, the legal team lost a lot of money defending George Zimmerman. 00:03:17.735 --> 00:03:21.625 And traditionally, you're not going to be that lucky. Your legal team is just 00:03:21.625 --> 00:03:23.725 going to stop defending you. They're just going to walk away and be like, 00:03:23.725 --> 00:03:25.151 I guess you get a public defender now. 00:03:26.035 --> 00:03:30.486 So you don't want to be in that situation. Like you want to have someone who comes to bat. 00:03:30.851 --> 00:03:36.105 Now that's not an argument for CCW Safe specifically. It's more of an argument for that industry. 00:03:36.337 --> 00:03:41.035 But CCW Safe specifically, they're the best at this. They really are. I mean, 00:03:43.122 --> 00:03:46.686 They have people who are going to come to bat for you who actually know what's going on. 00:03:47.005 --> 00:03:51.305 The people who are part of their critical response team are homicide investigators. 00:03:51.305 --> 00:03:53.089 They're district attorneys. 00:03:53.397 --> 00:03:58.615 They're lawyers. like they are they are people who know how the system works 00:03:58.871 --> 00:04:01.466 they know what's necessary to win 00:04:02.375 --> 00:04:07.245 both early and late so that's that's really what they bring to the table is 00:04:07.245 --> 00:04:12.505 knowledge and experience and an utmost commitment to the membership i'll add 00:04:12.505 --> 00:04:15.322 one more thing this one's going a little bit long but you asked me to do it 00:04:17.161 --> 00:04:23.082 For recently, on our website, on concealedcarrier.com forward slash insurance, 00:04:23.436 --> 00:04:28.498 we maintain what I believe is the industry's only and certainly the most comprehensive 00:04:28.789 --> 00:04:31.494 comparison chart of all of these competitors. 00:04:32.016 --> 00:04:35.900 And even though CCWSA sponsors our podcast and the Guardian Conference, 00:04:36.277 --> 00:04:40.008 they've never given us any grief about comparing them to their competitors on 00:04:40.008 --> 00:04:41.895 our website. That might tell you something about it. 00:04:42.290 --> 00:04:48.106 But anyway we did some updates to this and recently one of these competitors 00:04:48.431 --> 00:04:51.128 reached out to us and I'm not going to name the name of the competitor not CCW 00:04:51.128 --> 00:04:52.245 Safe one of their competitors 00:04:52.750 --> 00:04:55.738 and they basically said oh we need to you want you to change all these things 00:04:55.738 --> 00:04:59.018 on the on the on this chart you know you you're not representing our company 00:04:59.018 --> 00:05:02.578 properly and this this has happened before and sometimes it's true like we have 00:05:02.578 --> 00:05:03.751 outdated information on the chart 00:05:04.291 --> 00:05:07.268 so I was like yeah no pro like send me the correct info and they sent it and 00:05:07.268 --> 00:05:09.528 I said now send me your agreement, 00:05:10.409 --> 00:05:14.228 The actual policy and the membership agreement so I can make sure that what 00:05:14.228 --> 00:05:15.918 you're giving me is true. 00:05:15.918 --> 00:05:18.101 I need to do the due diligence, not just take your word for it. 00:05:18.525 --> 00:05:23.858 Well, long story short, they were definitely, I think, whether intentionally 00:05:23.858 --> 00:05:28.968 or not, misrepresenting themselves in a way that I thought was painting them 00:05:28.968 --> 00:05:30.593 in a better light than they should have been. 00:05:31.354 --> 00:05:35.728 And so that's the kind of experiences I have with some of these other competitors 00:05:35.728 --> 00:05:38.838 and some of these other companies is you go to their their website and you look 00:05:38.838 --> 00:05:42.451 at their comparison chart and shocker it makes them look like the best 00:05:43.208 --> 00:05:46.888 right like oh we're we got all this stuff and all our and and this stuff is 00:05:46.888 --> 00:05:50.818 factually untrue i've been on many of these websites looked at a lot of these 00:05:50.818 --> 00:05:56.383 charts and and they should be suing each other like this they are misrepresenting their competitors 00:05:56.865 --> 00:06:02.415 and i'm telling you ccw safe it truly stands alone they they are the best 00:06:03.802 --> 00:06:09.569 Well, there is a strong endorsement. And by the way, we got Deep South EDC on 00:06:09.569 --> 00:06:15.209 YouTube showing up, watching the live stream here and commenting, it's been a while, boys. 00:06:15.209 --> 00:06:18.802 And then he followed it up with this message saying, I use CCW Safe. 00:06:19.180 --> 00:06:23.011 Heard about it from you all. Been a member since 2019. 00:06:23.197 --> 00:06:23.684 Smart man. 00:06:24.236 --> 00:06:29.759 That's eight years of membership, or seven years. So thank you for taking our 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:34.073 recommendation, Deep South. And, folks, you'd do well to listen to that. 00:06:34.874 --> 00:06:39.799 CCWSafe.com is the place to go to sign up and learn more about them. 00:06:39.799 --> 00:06:42.537 And, by the way, Guardian Nation members get the discount. 00:06:42.873 --> 00:06:43.198 Yes. 00:06:43.593 --> 00:06:48.879 So you can log into the user dashboard at concealedcarry.com if you're a Guardian 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:52.045 Nation member or consider joining up on Guardian Nation. 00:06:52.550 --> 00:06:57.739 And that's a sizable discount off of annual membership of CCW Safe. 00:06:57.739 --> 00:07:01.478 Yes. When you do all the dollars and cents and everything, 00:07:02.289 --> 00:07:05.039 you get a lot of that back, that Guardian Nation membership, 00:07:05.039 --> 00:07:09.969 just in saving money at CCW Safe, in addition to everything else you save by 00:07:09.969 --> 00:07:13.569 having membership of Guardian Nation as well. All right. 00:07:14.149 --> 00:07:18.489 We've got also our other episode sponsor today is, I believe, HK. 00:07:18.969 --> 00:07:24.199 Yep. And we'll do a separate sponsor read about them here a little bit later, 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:27.249 but just want to make sure you know that they're the other episode sponsor, HK. 00:07:27.689 --> 00:07:31.566 Hk-usa.com. Well, let's jump into our news stories, Jacob. 00:07:32.516 --> 00:07:35.969 We've got a bunch of industry and legislative news updates. 00:07:35.969 --> 00:07:39.479 We're going to kind of go through this in rapid fashion because we've got a 00:07:39.479 --> 00:07:42.419 lot to cover today, and I definitely want to make sure we save some time for 00:07:42.419 --> 00:07:47.850 the Bend, Oregon story that we already told folks we'd cover in greater detail later on. 00:07:48.500 --> 00:07:52.337 First up, Smith & Wesson buys Savage Arms. 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:55.159 Yeah, for no small dollar amount. 00:07:55.862 --> 00:07:59.275 $160 million in stock and cash is what's been reported. 00:07:59.786 --> 00:08:04.072 This makes Smith & Wesson now the largest commercial U.S. gunmaker, 00:08:04.072 --> 00:08:05.004 according to the report. 00:08:05.231 --> 00:08:08.172 Yeah, though apparently the value of Savage has gone down. It's the last company 00:08:08.172 --> 00:08:09.782 to buy Savage paid more than that. 00:08:09.782 --> 00:08:10.122 Oh, yeah. 00:08:10.462 --> 00:08:13.762 So, you know, we're seeing a lot of movement in the industry, 00:08:14.422 --> 00:08:22.552 the firearm community industry lately because after a couple of decades of massive 00:08:22.552 --> 00:08:26.692 ups and massive downs, the firearm industry has finally seemed to be settling. 00:08:26.692 --> 00:08:29.037 And unfortunately, it's settling pretty low. 00:08:29.548 --> 00:08:32.262 And so we see a lot of consolidation companies making changes. 00:08:32.262 --> 00:08:34.610 We're going to talk about some Ruger moves here in a second. 00:08:34.906 --> 00:08:38.138 But anyway, yeah, Smith & Wesson doing a little consolidation too. 00:08:38.597 --> 00:08:45.472 The company who sold Savage to Smith & Wesson is now the largest stockholder 00:08:45.472 --> 00:08:47.832 in Smith & Wesson. So that's interesting too. 00:08:48.204 --> 00:08:53.022 Yeah, well, that's where that stock and cash part of that exchange comes from. 00:08:54.102 --> 00:08:59.962 Yeah, so that's big news. Savage is no small company of its own. 00:08:59.962 --> 00:09:04.197 And to be acquired by Smith & Wesson, also no small company there. 00:09:04.626 --> 00:09:11.202 This is a pretty big acquisition. So we'll see how that turns out for both Savage 00:09:11.202 --> 00:09:14.094 and Smith & Wesson and those various brands down the road. 00:09:14.958 --> 00:09:18.353 So you mentioned Ruger. We talked about another company here. 00:09:18.353 --> 00:09:22.946 And Ruger is making some waves with a recent announcement that they put out. 00:09:23.468 --> 00:09:26.510 And this is probably making some people a little bit upset. 00:09:26.696 --> 00:09:31.583 I saw some comments online about this. And so what it is is Ruger is suspending 00:09:31.583 --> 00:09:35.193 production on – and they say suspending because they're like, 00:09:35.193 --> 00:09:38.861 well, none of this is intended to be permanent. 00:09:39.963 --> 00:09:44.463 But you never know with these kinds of things. But they have suspended production 00:09:44.463 --> 00:09:52.276 on things like the Ruger LCR, SP-101, GP-100. Those are three very popular revolvers. People love them. 00:09:52.775 --> 00:09:57.088 Love them for concealed carry purposes, hunting purposes in the case of the GP-100. 00:09:57.651 --> 00:10:01.893 The Bearcat also suspended immediately. And then through the end of the year, 00:10:01.893 --> 00:10:07.009 they are continuing production, but will then be ceasing production at the end of 2026. 00:10:07.843 --> 00:10:10.873 I'm not going to list all these, but things like the SR-1911. 00:10:10.873 --> 00:10:12.948 They're 1911. They've made for years. 00:10:13.377 --> 00:10:19.213 The LC and PC Carbines, Red Hawk and Super Red Hawk and Black Hawk and Super 00:10:19.213 --> 00:10:21.621 Black Hawk pistols or revolvers. 00:10:21.957 --> 00:10:26.839 Again, those are additionally well-loved revolvers that people just love. 00:10:27.402 --> 00:10:32.223 Things like the Vaquero, the number one rifle, the 77 series rifle, 00:10:32.223 --> 00:10:36.243 the Hawkeye rifle, the Ruger precision rifle. That one kind of surprised me too. Yeah, me too. 00:10:36.243 --> 00:10:37.373 That's not that old of a gun. 00:10:37.373 --> 00:10:44.473 Yeah. So, yeah, they just say this is part of, you know, kind of restructuring 00:10:44.473 --> 00:10:47.010 and, you know, looking at their strategy going forward. 00:10:47.434 --> 00:10:53.413 They got what they call their Ruger 2030 strategy, and this is part of that. 00:10:53.413 --> 00:10:58.183 There's a complete catalog review of everything they make, probably looking at, 00:10:58.863 --> 00:11:03.693 you know, obviously those various product lines, profitability, 00:11:03.693 --> 00:11:09.863 and where it fits in the overall larger company strategy and priorities. 00:11:10.203 --> 00:11:12.627 There's opportunity cost to making anything, right? 00:11:14.026 --> 00:11:18.106 Yeah, I'm sure some real smart corporate people in some big conference room 00:11:18.106 --> 00:11:20.795 wearing suits made some decisions they thought were a good idea. Yeah. 00:11:21.312 --> 00:11:25.207 What was shocking about this, Jacob, because then people were like, well, what's left? 00:11:25.538 --> 00:11:29.536 And, I mean, a lot of their semi-automatics. I don't think there were any semi-automatic 00:11:29.976 --> 00:11:33.846 pistols included in the announcement to stop production. 00:11:33.846 --> 00:11:38.627 So things like the LCPs, the Max 9s, the Security 380s and Security 9s, 00:11:39.027 --> 00:11:43.956 the Ruger 5.7 they make, the Mark 4, you know, the 22 pistol. 00:11:45.236 --> 00:11:47.822 And the RX-M, which is kind of their new hotness, right? 00:11:49.169 --> 00:11:54.416 Here's what's left of revolvers as of right now is the Wrangler and Super Wrangler 00:11:54.416 --> 00:11:59.516 revolvers. I saw that. I'm just like, for a company that built itself off of 00:11:59.836 --> 00:12:02.932 revolvers to a large extent, I was just like, what? 00:12:03.472 --> 00:12:10.537 Well, the announcement made it clear that they might bring any or some or none of these back. Yes. 00:12:10.781 --> 00:12:15.906 So it's not a, hey, permanently done thing. it's ceasing production for now. 00:12:15.906 --> 00:12:17.967 We'll see what the future holds kind of thing. 00:12:18.556 --> 00:12:21.416 Still kind of surprising. So we'll see what happens, you know. 00:12:22.316 --> 00:12:26.116 But I would not anticipate seeing any of these come back anytime soon. 00:12:26.116 --> 00:12:32.706 I mean, the indications we're getting from within the industry is that they're 00:12:32.706 --> 00:12:37.053 stopping production, and it might be like that for a minute or two. Sure. 00:12:38.296 --> 00:12:45.656 Here's other news. So, on October 30th, the top lawyer at the ATF resigned. 00:12:47.196 --> 00:12:51.368 I'm trying to remember what his name is. Leiter, I think. Leiter, yes. 00:12:51.832 --> 00:12:56.506 And apparently, he's teaching as a professor at a university, 00:12:56.506 --> 00:12:57.962 and he's going back to doing that. 00:12:58.643 --> 00:13:01.142 What's interesting about this news, and this is why I included this story, 00:13:01.142 --> 00:13:09.597 Jacob, is that as of right now, the kind of acting chief counsel of ATF is William Ryan. 00:13:10.212 --> 00:13:13.812 He's been there for a while, okay, for a few years at least. 00:13:13.812 --> 00:13:20.222 And what's notable about that is that Mr. Ryan is the guy that argued on behalf 00:13:20.222 --> 00:13:25.427 of the ATF in defense of the pistol brace ban back in 2023. 00:13:25.984 --> 00:13:32.162 And so this is, you know, I mean, we know where generally where the Trump administration 00:13:32.162 --> 00:13:34.957 stands with priorities on the Second Amendment. 00:13:35.352 --> 00:13:40.082 I'd say, you know, overall, they've been very favorable forward and on behalf 00:13:40.082 --> 00:13:45.012 of the Second Amendment with the various, you know, rule changes and policymaking 00:13:45.012 --> 00:13:49.609 and things that's come down through the various agencies, particularly like the ATF. 00:13:50.832 --> 00:13:55.792 But, you know, when I saw the news that, hey, this guy that argued on behalf 00:13:55.792 --> 00:13:57.614 of the government for support of... 00:13:58.897 --> 00:14:01.964 Getting rid of pistol braces is now the guy that's going to be, 00:14:02.344 --> 00:14:06.114 you know, replacing the chief counsel, at least, you know, at the very least 00:14:06.114 --> 00:14:07.686 on a temporary basis. Like, okay. 00:14:08.098 --> 00:14:11.854 It's just gives you kind of, it's a good reminder to be like, 00:14:11.854 --> 00:14:17.334 Hey, things are only as good as they are for as long as they remain the same, 00:14:17.334 --> 00:14:19.484 you know, that that could change any time. 00:14:19.964 --> 00:14:23.870 And we are feeling that right now too, in light of the midterm elections, 00:14:24.782 --> 00:14:28.804 which is actually our next story. So we'll just keep rolling right along here. 00:14:28.804 --> 00:14:30.671 So everybody knows what happened Tuesday night. 00:14:33.086 --> 00:14:35.934 I mean, we've made it a point from the beginning of this podcast. 00:14:35.934 --> 00:14:40.614 This is not a partisan-focused podcast. We're not here to talk about blue versus 00:14:40.614 --> 00:14:44.423 red, Democrat versus Republican, or anything like that. It's not a main focus of us. 00:14:44.795 --> 00:14:48.964 We've said from the beginning of this podcast is if you are a friend of the 00:14:48.964 --> 00:14:50.670 Second Amendment, You're a friend of ours. 00:14:52.124 --> 00:14:57.009 That's what matters to us, you know, is that we stand up for the Second Amendment 00:14:57.241 --> 00:15:01.380 and everything that it means for us and our rights here in the United States of America. 00:15:02.982 --> 00:15:09.224 But nobody is so blind as to presume that having a whole bunch of blue in charge 00:15:09.224 --> 00:15:12.328 of the government is going to bode well for the Second Amendment. 00:15:13.910 --> 00:15:19.870 I mean, as a party, the Democrat Party does not support individual freedom and 00:15:19.870 --> 00:15:21.285 rights with respect to guns. 00:15:21.511 --> 00:15:28.830 So this is unfortunate news to kind of see a major swing, at least for, 00:15:29.230 --> 00:15:30.670 I think, what it means for the Second Amendment. 00:15:30.670 --> 00:15:33.560 We're going to have some major fights. And I'm not just talking about what's 00:15:33.560 --> 00:15:37.610 going on with the Senate and the House of Representatives at the national level, 00:15:38.830 --> 00:15:40.405 swinging back to the blue side. 00:15:40.696 --> 00:15:45.810 But things like there were a number of governors, right, that won election that, 00:15:46.310 --> 00:15:49.682 are Democrat and knowingly anti-gun. 00:15:50.048 --> 00:15:54.401 A number of, you know, state-level other offices across various states that 00:15:54.517 --> 00:15:59.840 also went that way. So this is going to really shape, you know, 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:03.498 things for the next couple of years potentially, especially on the state levels. 00:16:03.829 --> 00:16:08.200 And the other thing that's noteworthy here is that if President Trump were to 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:11.240 try to replace for any reason, whether because they, you know, 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:16.495 decide to retire or somebody dies on the United States Supreme Court in the next couple of years, 00:16:17.256 --> 00:16:21.930 the chances of getting another favorable Second Amendment, you know. 00:16:23.710 --> 00:16:28.210 Supporting judge, justice on the Supreme Court is probably, you know, 00:16:28.210 --> 00:16:30.199 it's going to be a tough, tough fight. 00:16:30.890 --> 00:16:33.390 And so that's, you know, we got just as... 00:16:36.765 --> 00:16:41.200 Oh, man, Thomas and Brain just completely went blank. 00:16:42.048 --> 00:16:46.958 Who's the other solid conservative on the Second Amendment? 00:16:48.845 --> 00:16:49.669 Come on, Jacob, help me out. 00:16:49.849 --> 00:16:52.118 I'm trying to look at you like I want you to call up the name. 00:16:52.508 --> 00:16:57.274 Clarence Thomas and, man, help me out. Chat. Go to the chat. 00:16:57.732 --> 00:16:59.259 Brain is fried all of a sudden. 00:17:00.095 --> 00:17:03.508 Anyway, you guys know what I mean. There's a couple of them there that are getting up there in years. 00:17:03.928 --> 00:17:11.183 Okay? And that's something to be noted, all right, to be paying attention to. 00:17:11.479 --> 00:17:13.348 Here's the other interesting thing. Gun sales. 00:17:13.828 --> 00:17:17.548 And the best we can track this is through how many NICS checks are run, 00:17:17.848 --> 00:17:20.838 okay? We're up 7.9%. Oh, Alito. 00:17:20.838 --> 00:17:21.468 We're thinking of Alito. 00:17:21.508 --> 00:17:24.988 Yes, Justice Alito, Samuel Alito. Sorry. Thank you. My apologies for, 00:17:24.988 --> 00:17:29.118 you know, forgetting somebody as key as Samuel Alito with respect to the Second Amendment. 00:17:29.118 --> 00:17:29.949 Well, that was weird. 00:17:30.442 --> 00:17:33.728 But yeah, those guys, I think they're in the mid, maybe, 00:17:35.848 --> 00:17:40.392 they're mid-70s for sure, right? So you just never know what could happen, right? 00:17:40.618 --> 00:17:44.098 I mean, like Justice Scalia just suddenly died in his sleep one night, 00:17:44.098 --> 00:17:49.648 right? And so that could have some major repercussions on the federal level. 00:17:49.648 --> 00:17:54.208 But gun sales up 7.9% as far as background checks are concerned last month. 00:17:54.508 --> 00:18:01.360 I suspect that has more to do with the ATF, NFA, really the NFA rule changes. 00:18:01.702 --> 00:18:05.228 Right, because those are all firearms. Yeah. You go buy a suppressor. 00:18:05.888 --> 00:18:07.885 That's a NICS check. It's a firearm sale. 00:18:08.273 --> 00:18:08.529 Yeah. 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:08.935 Yeah. 00:18:09.086 --> 00:18:14.528 So I saw that as less of a, hey, the election's coming, and more of, 00:18:14.528 --> 00:18:19.248 hey, I can now just go buy, in some states, most states, a suppressor over the 00:18:19.248 --> 00:18:22.280 counter with a simple 4473 background check. Yeah. 00:18:22.621 --> 00:18:23.104 Yeah. 00:18:24.339 --> 00:18:30.458 Gun control is no longer a major U.S. political theater of war. 00:18:31.665 --> 00:18:36.045 That's just true. There's less – like when's the last time we had a major election 00:18:36.045 --> 00:18:39.415 where gun control is a major consideration? It's been a little bit. 00:18:40.164 --> 00:18:43.455 Well, maybe that's the problem with this most recent midterms. 00:18:43.455 --> 00:18:45.249 Like it's not on people's minds as much. 00:18:45.493 --> 00:18:48.395 But I think that – The last presidential election. 00:18:48.395 --> 00:18:53.365 You know, Harris v. Trump, I never – I didn't see it like every – not a single 00:18:53.365 --> 00:18:55.414 one of the debates. mentioned guns at all. 00:18:57.105 --> 00:19:02.105 Fast forward to today, all the polls say that there's less support for gun control 00:19:02.105 --> 00:19:04.279 than there ever has been in America in recent history. 00:19:04.643 --> 00:19:07.511 More Americans own guns than have ever in American history. 00:19:07.878 --> 00:19:11.517 More guns exist in America than have ever existed before in American history. 00:19:11.883 --> 00:19:18.673 So I'm not saying that we can go rest on this. We got this in the bag. I am suggesting that 00:19:20.507 --> 00:19:26.655 It's less of a factor at the national, federal level than it used to be. 00:19:28.141 --> 00:19:28.872 I agree with that. 00:19:31.830 --> 00:19:39.250 But I think that there's going to be some fights that come with how hard things 00:19:39.250 --> 00:19:41.150 swung back to the left with this midterm. 00:19:41.672 --> 00:19:45.110 I think that some of that, I mean, like, dude, we're going to talk later in 00:19:45.110 --> 00:19:47.942 this episode about this school shooting in Bend, Oregon, right? 00:19:48.185 --> 00:19:54.820 Right. And people look at that, you know, those that are anti-gun and we're 00:19:54.820 --> 00:19:57.180 like, we need better, you know, more gun control. 00:19:57.180 --> 00:20:00.880 This keeps happening. You know, it can't, you know, how do we accept the fact 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:03.714 that people can go into schools and shoot up little kids? 00:20:04.138 --> 00:20:05.763 None of us accept that, by the way. 00:20:06.850 --> 00:20:09.950 But people are calling for restrictor gun control after that, 00:20:09.950 --> 00:20:15.561 even though a dude that, you know, was just a regular civilian who had a gun 00:20:15.949 --> 00:20:21.685 and ran onto that school campus in violation of, you know, federal law, technically, 00:20:23.252 --> 00:20:25.790 and, you know, was able to bring a stop to that. 00:20:25.790 --> 00:20:32.900 And so anyway, I don't think that the anti-gunners' desire to restrict Second 00:20:32.900 --> 00:20:37.030 Amendment rights from the people, I don't think that's changed. 00:20:37.510 --> 00:20:39.878 I agree it's not changed. I think that the tactics have to change. 00:20:40.046 --> 00:20:44.320 The tactics have changed. It's not as popular as it used to be at the national level. 00:20:44.320 --> 00:20:47.610 Yeah. We'll see what happens the next couple of years here. 00:20:48.794 --> 00:20:51.815 We've got to keep moving along because, again, we have a lot of cover here. 00:20:51.815 --> 00:20:55.995 Let's talk about some quick news out of Maine. Jacob, why don't you – you wrote 00:20:55.995 --> 00:21:00.561 the article on the site updating people as to kind of this quick little flip-flop. 00:21:00.874 --> 00:21:06.345 Yeah, so Maine's law says that they will honor concealed carry permits from 00:21:06.345 --> 00:21:07.893 any state that honors their permit. 00:21:08.875 --> 00:21:12.795 They're not the only state that has this kind of a policy, but theirs is perhaps 00:21:12.795 --> 00:21:14.561 the most simple version of this policy, right? 00:21:14.875 --> 00:21:18.799 So if you honor the Maine permit, Maine will honor your permit. 00:21:19.385 --> 00:21:23.542 Now, out of the blue, though, about three weeks ago or something, 00:21:25.015 --> 00:21:29.300 The webpage on the Maine government website, I think this is the Maine Attorney General. 00:21:29.666 --> 00:21:37.119 So the Attorney General of Maine's website maintains a webpage that specifies 00:21:37.392 --> 00:21:39.174 what other state permits Maine will honor. 00:21:39.743 --> 00:21:42.655 And it clarifies even right there, like, what the criteria is. 00:21:42.715 --> 00:21:45.688 It's like, you honor our permit, we honor yours, and here are the permits we honor. 00:21:45.978 --> 00:21:51.575 So about three weeks or so ago, they just seemed to have arbitrarily removed, 00:21:52.115 --> 00:21:54.076 I think, four states from that list. 00:21:54.424 --> 00:21:56.851 The ones I remember off the top of my head are Indiana and South Dakota. 00:21:57.478 --> 00:22:01.145 But there were two other ones, too. I can't remember now. So they just yanked 00:22:01.145 --> 00:22:03.535 these. I mean, they just disappeared off the list. And it's like, 00:22:04.315 --> 00:22:07.369 why? Because those states still honor the main permit. 00:22:07.683 --> 00:22:10.475 So the criteria suggests that you should still honor their permit. 00:22:11.048 --> 00:22:14.891 And so there was enough pushback, I think, enough public outcry of like, 00:22:15.695 --> 00:22:17.416 WTF? Like, what is going on here? 00:22:18.873 --> 00:22:22.195 Including the article we wrote. Not that I think we go move things, 00:22:22.195 --> 00:22:26.321 but I know several people, including someone I spoke to specifically, 00:22:26.658 --> 00:22:29.985 who sent emails to main constituents. 00:22:29.985 --> 00:22:33.205 I really think people live there who send emails or people who from these states 00:22:33.205 --> 00:22:36.416 were affected saying, hey, Attorney General, like, what's going on? 00:22:37.055 --> 00:22:40.815 So anyway, they fixed it is the short answer. It took several weeks for them 00:22:40.815 --> 00:22:42.604 to figure it out, I guess. 00:22:42.964 --> 00:22:45.246 But those four states have been restored. And in addition to it, 00:22:45.547 --> 00:22:47.974 they added one that wasn't there before, which is West Virginia. 00:22:48.340 --> 00:22:51.776 And someone from West Virginia could go to Maine pretty easily. So I think that's nice. 00:22:52.745 --> 00:22:56.024 So some little bit of question mark. We still don't know what happened or why, 00:22:56.384 --> 00:23:00.703 but I guess it's been fixed. And congrats, West Virginia. You now have reciprocity with me. 00:23:01.086 --> 00:23:08.827 Yep. There you go. Now, final news as far as, like, industry or other news here. 00:23:08.827 --> 00:23:14.467 We're going to recognize just briefly two gentlemen that passed away recently. 00:23:14.947 --> 00:23:18.162 One of them just a few days ago, actually. The other one, I think, was a few weeks back. 00:23:18.691 --> 00:23:23.487 But these are – well, the first one is Evan Marshall. And you may be thinking, 00:23:23.487 --> 00:23:24.747 well, who the heck is Evan Marshall? 00:23:25.506 --> 00:23:28.344 I saw the name, and I was like, oh, I recognize that name. 00:23:29.093 --> 00:23:34.637 And one of the reasons for that is because he was the author of a couple of 00:23:34.637 --> 00:23:38.597 books that I remember seeing when I was a child, actually. 00:23:38.597 --> 00:23:42.507 One of them was called Handgun Stopping Power in 1992. It was published, 00:23:42.507 --> 00:23:44.717 and the other one was called Street Stoppers. I wasn't as familiar with the 00:23:44.717 --> 00:23:47.489 Street Stoppers book, but I remember the Handgun Stopping Power book. 00:23:48.366 --> 00:23:53.167 And so evan marshall is a retired uh cop i think out of detroit pd. 00:23:54.246 --> 00:23:59.387 And then you know he and he was very passionate about studying ballistics and 00:23:59.707 --> 00:24:03.627 you know bullet and bullet design and things like that and that's where this 00:24:03.819 --> 00:24:05.769 book handgun stopping power came from, 00:24:06.315 --> 00:24:10.067 uh you could basically say like one of the things that they they did in that 00:24:10.067 --> 00:24:15.447 book was looking at different calibers and the statistics, 00:24:16.447 --> 00:24:20.890 as far as how reliable the different calibers were in effecting a one-shot stop. 00:24:21.354 --> 00:24:24.628 A lot of people have heard that terminology, a one-shot stop. 00:24:25.290 --> 00:24:29.807 And it kind of was from that the legend of the .357 Magnum was born. 00:24:30.462 --> 00:24:35.747 Because from the statistics that Evan Marshall and his co-author, 00:24:35.747 --> 00:24:43.197 Ed Senau, put together, the .357 Magnum was kind of shown to be out of pistol caliber. 00:24:43.197 --> 00:24:43.837 It was compelling. 00:24:43.837 --> 00:24:49.485 It was like the standout as far as one shot stop, you know, one shot stopping round, right? 00:24:50.456 --> 00:24:54.491 And so I just thought that was notable seeing that he'd passed away recently, 00:24:54.491 --> 00:24:59.081 that, you know, the whole point or reason that we've had these like handgun 00:24:59.401 --> 00:25:03.639 caliber wars and debates and things over the last few decades kind of came. 00:25:03.981 --> 00:25:07.531 I think it already existed before that, but I think it was really popularized 00:25:07.531 --> 00:25:09.768 because of some of the work that Mr. Marshall did. 00:25:10.197 --> 00:25:13.361 And I think later on, one of his friends that knew him well, 00:25:13.961 --> 00:25:17.851 you know, kind of indicated that he felt, I think, a little, 00:25:17.851 --> 00:25:19.381 you know, I don't know, bad's the right word. 00:25:19.721 --> 00:25:24.521 He didn't necessarily appreciate that he was sort of pigeonholed into this one, 00:25:25.161 --> 00:25:29.005 version of himself, that it was not the only thing that he thought mattered and things like that. 00:25:29.901 --> 00:25:33.451 But I just thought that was interesting. But anyway, he passed away recently, 00:25:33.451 --> 00:25:36.418 and some people might find that notable. 00:25:36.854 --> 00:25:41.711 The other one, though, is Robert Brown, who is the founder of Soldier of Fortune 00:25:41.711 --> 00:25:47.631 magazine, the founder of Paladin Press, which published and has published over 00:25:47.631 --> 00:25:51.000 the years many very well-loved and respected books. 00:25:51.465 --> 00:25:56.601 Things like uh some books from uh jeff cooper and uh uh. 00:25:57.862 --> 00:26:02.121 Uh colonel applegate rex applegate and things like that he that paladin press 00:26:02.121 --> 00:26:05.141 picked up and continued to publish so people would you know have continued to 00:26:05.141 --> 00:26:07.799 have access to those things for for many years, 00:26:08.316 --> 00:26:14.261 and so and the cool thing about uh lieutenant carl brown he he retired from uh, 00:26:15.286 --> 00:26:20.549 From the Army back, I think, in 85, he was in Special Forces in Vietnam. 00:26:20.549 --> 00:26:24.469 He saw some serious action when he was over there in Vietnam. 00:26:24.469 --> 00:26:31.129 And, you know, he just was a very respected guy in that field. 00:26:31.129 --> 00:26:35.070 And, of course, founding Soldier of Fortune and Soldier of Fortune magazine. 00:26:36.669 --> 00:26:41.289 I remember a good friend of mine was a huge fan of Soldier of Fortune magazine back when I was a kid. 00:26:41.289 --> 00:26:47.389 And he loved that magazine. So, anyway, Lieutenant Colonel Brown passed away 00:26:47.749 --> 00:26:53.193 just a few days ago, and that was notable. He also served on the NRA board in the early 80s. 00:26:54.389 --> 00:27:00.542 And he was responsible for bringing some of the first AK-74 ammo seen here in the United States. 00:27:01.669 --> 00:27:05.169 He got that exported out of Afghanistan back in the 80s. Okay. 00:27:05.509 --> 00:27:07.233 I didn't know that, but I thought that was kind of interesting. 00:27:07.675 --> 00:27:14.640 Anyway, our condolences to those affected by the loss of these two men. 00:27:15.483 --> 00:27:19.099 Let's go into our first justified, well, it's not a justified safe story. 00:27:19.099 --> 00:27:23.726 It's actually a what not to do story, but now we're moving into justified safe, 00:27:24.749 --> 00:27:26.309 part of the episode. Sure, sure. 00:27:27.721 --> 00:27:33.362 First up, Jacob, out of Benton County, Washington. Okay, we have a story. 00:27:33.362 --> 00:27:38.576 It's called here, Warning Shots and a Made-Up Drive-By. This was kind of an interesting story. 00:27:39.002 --> 00:27:42.022 You talked about it a little bit as you and I were getting ready for the podcast 00:27:42.022 --> 00:27:47.512 about you had these, you know, basically two family members. 00:27:47.512 --> 00:27:49.187 Okay, it's half brothers. 00:27:50.142 --> 00:27:54.252 So they had some kind of argument. One of them said that the other threatened 00:27:54.252 --> 00:27:56.426 their sister. He was upset about that. 00:27:57.802 --> 00:28:03.972 And it sounds like she was hospitalized because of a mental health crisis or 00:28:03.972 --> 00:28:06.962 maybe the brother was. One of the brothers was. 00:28:07.542 --> 00:28:09.322 Yeah, the guy who ended up getting shot was hospitalized. 00:28:09.322 --> 00:28:13.096 Yeah, the one that ended up getting shot. He comes back. So now he gets released from the hospital. 00:28:13.537 --> 00:28:18.782 He comes back and there's, you know, further argument. Yeah, 00:28:19.102 --> 00:28:21.206 so this continues. It escalates. 00:28:22.163 --> 00:28:26.552