Riley Bowman: And welcome to the Concealed Carry
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Riley Bowman: Today is Wednesday, July 29th, 2026, as of the recording of this live episode.
Riley Bowman: And I'm your host, Riley Bowman. I'm joined today by Jacob Paulson.
Jacob Paulsen: And Riley is the guy whose last name is the 115,000th most popular last name in the world.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, it's not that popular.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah.
Riley Bowman: And yours is apparently even less so.
Jacob Paulsen: Apparently. Yeah.
Riley Bowman: How about that?
Riley Bowman: Should I share the bit that I just learned about you today?
Jacob Paulsen: Which one?
Riley Bowman: Jacob Paulson is the man who.
Jacob Paulsen: Claims to have
Riley Bowman: Read the book Pride and Prejudice four times.
Jacob Paulsen: I like Pride and Prejudice. I don't know. I mean, I'm not embarrassed by this.
Riley Bowman: It's a good story. I don't know many guys that have read it four times.
Jacob Paulsen: I mean, I've read a lot of books a lot of times. Okay. So, I mean,
Jacob Paulsen: if we were like, hey, Jacob, how many books have you read more than once?
Jacob Paulsen: Right? I mean, there's probably 30, 40 books on that list.
Jacob Paulsen: But, yeah, no, I like Pride and Pride. I think it's a really good book.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. I don't disagree. It's a fantastic story. I think it's a good story. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
Jacob Paulsen: For sure. In my opinion, Jane Austen's only good story, actually. But, yes, I do enjoy it.
Riley Bowman: I think it's an interesting and unique fact.
Riley Bowman: And I'm the guy that recently decided I need to actually read the story Ben-Hur.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, like physically, like not listen to.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, like I actually want to acquire an old edition of the book because it's
Riley Bowman: such a, I would say at this point, I mean, it's a classic.
Jacob Paulsen: It's a classic. Right? I think it's classic.
Riley Bowman: And was one of the most widely distributed, sold, and read books in the late 1800s and early 1900s.
Riley Bowman: And I think it's time that I actually read the book.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, you should probably start stocking eBay for an old classic.
Riley Bowman: They're widely available because, again, so many of them sold.
Riley Bowman: So you can get an old edition for cheap.
Riley Bowman: But it's definitely not the kind of book that you want to go trying to collect
Riley Bowman: some old edition for value's sake.
Jacob Paulsen: Because there's just too many.
Riley Bowman: There's just too many of them.
Jacob Paulsen: I got you.
Riley Bowman: But I think I want to, so like, and I've got some early memories of my childhood,
Riley Bowman: of my, my grandparents had a copy of Ben Hur on the shelf.
Riley Bowman: And I don't know how old, but it was, it looked old.
Riley Bowman: And I regret that I didn't end up with that. And I don't, you know,
Riley Bowman: don't know where that ended up, you know, but, but yeah, I remember seeing it
Riley Bowman: on the shelf and actually pulling it out and like looking through it a few times,
Riley Bowman: and kind of wishing that I had actually read it.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, I've never read it.
Riley Bowman: So, yeah. I'll tell you just a quick other side note I'm currently listening
Riley Bowman: to the book Franklin and Washington,
Riley Bowman: and it's really it's really good it's very interesting to kind of hear the two
Riley Bowman: stories of the two men you know in simultaneous fashion sure in parallel.
Jacob Paulsen: Sure yeah yeah I mean both fascinating people
Riley Bowman: Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: And I think I've read three Franklin biographies and maybe four Washington biographies
Jacob Paulsen: but I've never read Franklin and Washington I am familiar with the book somewhere to read list.
Riley Bowman: It's good. I recommend it. So go check it out.
Riley Bowman: Let's get into today's episode. We're going to do some sponsor message reads
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Riley Bowman: during the episode let's jump into our first story,
Riley Bowman: So this, I'm going to call Jacob out. He said, I sent him the show notes for
Riley Bowman: today's episode. He's like, none of this is very interesting.
Riley Bowman: It's like, whatever, dude.
Riley Bowman: But I think there are some, it's a little gut nerdy. There's some,
Riley Bowman: I think there's some tidbits here and there.
Riley Bowman: And I'm going to do my best to express where I do think some of the stories
Riley Bowman: we talk about today, because this is an industry news episode.
Riley Bowman: I think I failed to mention that.
Riley Bowman: So we're going to share some of the most recent industry news.
Riley Bowman: It's actually been kind of quiet this summer so far as far as like you know
Riley Bowman: normally we would come at you with hey a couple of new gun models you know and
Riley Bowman: we we generally try to stay close to concealed carry related stuff
Riley Bowman: and so normally we'd be like hey there's been like four new concealed carry
Riley Bowman: guns and stuff and there just hasn't been a lot recently um,
Riley Bowman: but there are a couple things i think are noteworthy and we're talking about
Riley Bowman: them today the first thing is that the civilian Marksmanship Program for the
Riley Bowman: first time ever is going to sell.
Riley Bowman: Former U.S.
Riley Bowman: Government-issued M14 rifles to civilians.
Riley Bowman: It's the program where people are familiar about buying 03 rifles and M1 Garands
Riley Bowman: and M1 Carbines and different things through that special purchase program through
Riley Bowman: Civilian Marksmanship Program.
Riley Bowman: But I think this is the first time the M14s have been made available.
Riley Bowman: There were over a million of those things in government inventory at one time.
Riley Bowman: I don't know if that's how many there are available to be now sold to civilians.
Jacob Paulsen: You're kind of bearing the lead a little bit, though.
Riley Bowman: Okay.
Jacob Paulsen: Because they're going to modify these.
Riley Bowman: Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. People hear M14 and they're thinking, oh, full auto.
Riley Bowman: And technically these are pre-86, you know, guns. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah.
Riley Bowman: No, I was going to get to that. I was just saying. But it is noteworthy that
Riley Bowman: these are becoming available for the first time ever.
Jacob Paulsen: Yes.
Riley Bowman: And yes, what you just said is true, Jacob, that they are going to be,
Riley Bowman: they just said permanently and irreversibly modified to be semi-automatic only right uh,
Riley Bowman: so don't get too excited about being able to get your hands on a 386 m14
Riley Bowman: or something uh there'll be semi-automatic only versions that have been modified
Riley Bowman: supposedly irreversibly i don't know what that exactly means but you know as
Riley Bowman: far as how they're doing that yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: I mean i anticipate there's a lot of people who have like an emotional like
Jacob Paulsen: sentimental connection to that platform to that rifle right so yeah um i think
Jacob Paulsen: that there's people some people probably listen to this like oh my gosh like
Jacob Paulsen: i would love to have one of those yeah yeah
Riley Bowman: Yeah the you know the m14 of course was the natural uh evolution of the m1 grand sure uh,
Riley Bowman: is probably i mean imagine if we had the m14 even a semi-automatic version in
Riley Bowman: world war ii as opposed to the m1 grand you know with a,
Riley Bowman: detachable box magazine 20 round capacity instead of like eight round clips uh,
Riley Bowman: would have like been even a greater fighting you know weapon for a conflict
Riley Bowman: like that the m14 was kind of dune from the outset because it was a fantastic i think,
Riley Bowman: uh evolution and upgrade to the original m1 but it just came at a time where
Riley Bowman: the world and the military was like why would we want to lug around you know a,
Riley Bowman: 10 or 12 pound rifle or whatever yeah you know much bigger heavier uh woodstocked
Riley Bowman: gun uh that you know into damp environments and things and you know so it just kind of.
Jacob Paulsen: Kind of a solution to a problem that didn't exist
Riley Bowman: Anymore yeah yeah but uh i remember thinking that it was one of the coolest
Riley Bowman: guns ever when i was a kid i still think they're pretty cool so i don't know
Riley Bowman: what the price on these are going to be when they finally hit the,
Riley Bowman: the cmp's shelves uh says that they should be available the first order should
Riley Bowman: be available between late 2026 and early 2027,
Riley Bowman: um i will definitely be checking that out because if i can get my hands on one
Riley Bowman: for reasonable price yeah so here here's our first comment reasonable define
Riley Bowman: michael on facebook saying does anyone know the price point and and i haven't
Riley Bowman: seen anything published yet so.
Jacob Paulsen: That is the question
Riley Bowman: Yeah so we'll see but that'll be pretty cool,
Riley Bowman: Speaking of M1s or M14s, so the next story here is about auto-ordinance.
Riley Bowman: This is a new gun kind of hitting the shelves.
Riley Bowman: Auto-ordinance has made a name for itself, the M1 carbine, and they've sold
Riley Bowman: a lot of their modern versions of this over the years.
Riley Bowman: They're actually coming out with a shorty version.
Jacob Paulsen: Oh.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, kind of interesting. So it's an M1 carbine, but with a 12-inch barrel.
Riley Bowman: And that classifies it as an SBR.
Riley Bowman: Everything else about it is about what you expect. It's got the wood stock on
Riley Bowman: it and everything, but it's a 12-inch barreled M1 carbine.
Riley Bowman: So this is a, you know, you'd have to get an NFA tax stamp for this.
Riley Bowman: But because that's become such an easier process now and one that doesn't have
Riley Bowman: the $200 tax stamp fee along with it, I think that's where auto-ordination sees
Riley Bowman: this opportunity to be like, hey, let's make a short-barreled version of the M1 carbine.
Jacob Paulsen: There's also a lot of holding of breath right now that the NFA just might go
Jacob Paulsen: away a little bit, or we might see more positive impacts to the NFA in the next 12 months.
Riley Bowman: The other interesting thing about it is it will have, so it's a 12-inch barrel,
Riley Bowman: but it'll have half-inch by 28,
Riley Bowman: threading on the barrel, so you can attach easily a suppressor,
Riley Bowman: and that is where it kind of gets interesting as far as being able to put a
Riley Bowman: suppressor on it that retains the original overall length of an M1 carbine and now have it suppressed.
Riley Bowman: Okay. Kind of cool, right? So modern means old. Hence the title of this episode,
Riley Bowman: which is talking about old iron and new iron.
Riley Bowman: We have some newer updates for you in the industry news as well.
Riley Bowman: But yeah, so this is kind of old meeting new all in one with a newer flavor of the M1 carbine.
Riley Bowman: Uh, the price tag is maybe a little steep though. I saw this as well.
Riley Bowman: I know they got some comments online about this being a little steep and I'm
Riley Bowman: kind of like, yeah, it'd be cool, but it's not $1,800 cool.
Jacob Paulsen: $1,800.
Riley Bowman: It's $1,800 for this new shorty M1 carbine. Tough sell. Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: It's tough sell. Yeah.
Riley Bowman: So, but if it floats your boat, then, hey.
Jacob Paulsen: There's some people out there who just got immense amount of cash.
Jacob Paulsen: You know, they'll buy it.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, yeah. Cool. All right. Now, speaking of CMP, a moment ago.
Riley Bowman: One of the reasons that they, well, one of the big benefits of their purchase
Riley Bowman: program where you can buy these old surplus military firearms,
Riley Bowman: 1911s, M1s, and so forth, now M14s soon,
Riley Bowman: is that it helps fund a lot of shooting programs.
Riley Bowman: We're talking new ranges, education programs, youth programs, adult programs alike.
Riley Bowman: And CMP has benefited many ranges across the country with special investments and grants into ranges.
Riley Bowman: We are living in a time that, I mean, a lot of outdoor ranges in particular,
Riley Bowman: Jacob, are under a threat of being, you know, taken away. Sure.
Riley Bowman: We're talking about, you know, suburban encroachment, different issues like that.
Jacob Paulsen: Well, that's the big issue for sure.
Riley Bowman: For sure, right? And it's hard to start up a new range because you need a lot of land.
Riley Bowman: You need a lot of money to develop it properly into a suitable range so that investment can be
Riley Bowman: you know a really tough sell for a lot of people to because and then making
Riley Bowman: that money back sometimes is it takes years and years and years and years so
Riley Bowman: you don't see a ton of private,
Riley Bowman: businesses i mean they're out there but you don't see a lot of private entities
Riley Bowman: starting outdoor ranges the perfect purpose of being for profit uh,
Riley Bowman: that you know aren't and then Part of that is sometimes ranges end up being
Riley Bowman: so far away from major cities that they just don't get the traffic.
Riley Bowman: That's one of the challenges.
Jacob Paulsen: Right? If you don't.
Riley Bowman: Because you want it to be close enough, people will go to it.
Riley Bowman: But if you're too close, 20 years from now, all of a sudden you're getting sued
Riley Bowman: by the subdivision that set up shop next to you, right?
Riley Bowman: So I thought this story was notable, particularly with interest to you, Jacob, as a Wyoming boy.
Riley Bowman: But the CMP has issued a $10 million challenge grant. Now, this is important.
Riley Bowman: It is a grant that it means the CMP, the Civilian Marksmanship Program,
Riley Bowman: will donate up to $10 million for the development of a new range near Cody, Wyoming.
Riley Bowman: But it is a dollar for dollar match so for every dollar that they are able to
Riley Bowman: get an investment for this new range,
Riley Bowman: uh in cody the cmp will match that up to 10 million dollars i mean just that's
Riley Bowman: significant right so um and it says in the article this is the largest private investment,
Riley Bowman: um you know in this project and it's probably one of the largest private investments
Riley Bowman: i've ever heard for a new startup range.
Jacob Paulsen: So, and this range in Wyoming has been...
Jacob Paulsen: It might be the project that never ends. So not the current governor of Wyoming,
Jacob Paulsen: but the previous governor of Wyoming.
Jacob Paulsen: He invested quite a bit in the range that's there not far from Cheyenne, outside of Cheyenne.
Jacob Paulsen: And this land outside of Cody, Wyoming, was kind of purchased and identified
Jacob Paulsen: for this purpose back in his tenure.
Jacob Paulsen: And now he's been out for some time. And in the last legislative session,
Jacob Paulsen: Wyoming, the legislator voted,
Jacob Paulsen: A resolution was passed to earmark specific amount of funds for this gun range
Jacob Paulsen: outside of Cody. And I can't remember the dollar amount.
Jacob Paulsen: It was something, it was either 1 million or 10 million bucks.
Jacob Paulsen: But it was known that that money was not going to get the job done.
Jacob Paulsen: It was sort of like, hey, this will get the ball rolling so we can start to develop this gun range.
Jacob Paulsen: And so I suspect that what you have is
Jacob Paulsen: I don't know who approached you I'm making this up Jacob's arbitrary guessing
Jacob Paulsen: but someone said hey we got some money earmarked from the state to get started
Jacob Paulsen: on this project let's go out and see if we can get some additional funds coming from external sources
Jacob Paulsen: so some money's already been earmarked from the state it's going to get spent
Jacob Paulsen: the legislator voted on it I mean the governor signed the resolution or the
Jacob Paulsen: bill or whatever the thing was
Jacob Paulsen: that passed and so it's going to happen now It's going to move forward.
Jacob Paulsen: And so this additional funding, which is a challenge grant will work out just
Jacob Paulsen: fine because the money has already been allocated by the state,
Jacob Paulsen: is going to roll out. Now, there's a couple of downsides.
Jacob Paulsen: This is the best news
Jacob Paulsen: ever if you live in cody wyoming it really is like you are if you live in cody
Jacob Paulsen: wyoming and you're a shooter you are out of your mind yeah pumped
Riley Bowman: You're talking about long range rifle shooting.
Jacob Paulsen: All the things man
Riley Bowman: Uh shotgun shooting archery.
Jacob Paulsen: Wyoming is really setting out to build like a world-class like best range in
Jacob Paulsen: the country they really are yeah like the land is there um it's it's i mean
Jacob Paulsen: the weather is amazing for like three weeks a year i mean they are they are they They are on it,
Jacob Paulsen: but there's a couple of problems.
Jacob Paulsen: One, I already mentioned the weather like this. This is not a place that has
Jacob Paulsen: like fabulous year round weather. This is not the Whittington center.
Jacob Paulsen: You know, this is not talking
Riley Bowman: June 1st through October.
Jacob Paulsen: 1st, right now. Luckily it's also not Cheyenne.
Jacob Paulsen: So you don't have a huge wind problem. I mean, it's not that it's that there's
Jacob Paulsen: no wind outside of Cody, Wyoming, because it's still Wyoming,
Jacob Paulsen: but it's, yeah. I mean, you have a short season. And this is an outdoor gun
Jacob Paulsen: range in Wyoming. Like I'm just,
Jacob Paulsen: And, you know, your nearest airport is probably Denver.
Jacob Paulsen: It's like a 10-hour drive to a decent airport. I'm sorry.
Jacob Paulsen: Riley had to turn down my sound. I'm getting a little bit animated.
Riley Bowman: He's pegging the top of the meter here.
Jacob Paulsen: So anyway, you know, Cody does have that awesome fire museum.
Jacob Paulsen: It's not too far from the Cody Fire Museum. Yep.
Riley Bowman: Which is a world-class museum.
Jacob Paulsen: Right. Also in the middle of nowhere. So I guess, I mean, maybe...
Riley Bowman: But here's the other thing. It's really close to Yellowstone National Park.
Jacob Paulsen: It is very close to Yellowstone.
Riley Bowman: Which is a very popular destination.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, for Asians. I'm joking. That's not true. That was a joke.
Jacob Paulsen: Whoever's listening right now, I'm sorry. That was... I didn't mean it.
Riley Bowman: We're going to get the show canceled, Jacob. Come on.
Jacob Paulsen: Everyone goes to Yellowstone. It is the second most...
Riley Bowman: It's one of your favorite places on Earth.
Jacob Paulsen: Or third most visited national parks in the country. And I go every four years.
Jacob Paulsen: It's fantastic. I love Yellowstone. People come from all around the world.
Jacob Paulsen: But Yellowstone is a six-hour drive from the closest relative decent airport, which is Salt Lake City.
Riley Bowman: There is an airport in Cody. It's a small airport.
Jacob Paulsen: Qualifying that as an airport is pushing the envelope.
Riley Bowman: There's an airport in Jackson. Jackson Hole.
Jacob Paulsen: Only Bill Clinton can afford to fly in and out of the Jackson Hole Airport.
Riley Bowman: You can fly into Casper.
Jacob Paulsen: Or Rock Springs or Billings, Montana if you've got the money. Okay, here's the thing.
Riley Bowman: All right, let me bring it really in a little bit here.
Riley Bowman: I have attended two, I think, two different three-gun matches at that facility in Cody.
Riley Bowman: And they drew a pretty good crowd.
Jacob Paulsen: I guess shooters will travel.
Riley Bowman: Shooters will travel. And I think that's part of what they're going for because
Riley Bowman: they are going to build a whole bunch of like practical pistol,
Riley Bowman: action pistol shooting, you know, competition style shooting bays. Yeah, okay.
Riley Bowman: Here's the thing. World-class range facility that is in a state that is friendly
Riley Bowman: to firearms and has favorable firearms laws.
Riley Bowman: Because Colorado basically tried to build a world-class range.
Riley Bowman: And they did. They succeeded in building the world-class range in Colorado,
Riley Bowman: Cameo Colorado to be specific, and wanted to host world-class,
Riley Bowman: huge national and world championship level events. Problem is, it's in Colorado.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah.
Riley Bowman: And so it's like there's a big disconnect here between people at the highest
Riley Bowman: levels of the state thinking, let's build a world-class facility and bring in
Riley Bowman: hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of shooters for big events.
Riley Bowman: And then those shooters don't want to come here because our laws are restrictive.
Riley Bowman: And so uh i think they're trying to do something similar in cody and uh i think
Riley Bowman: there will be some large competition type events that they'll hold there that
Riley Bowman: will draw in a lot of people,
Riley Bowman: uh and they're going to use the draw of things like the cody firearms museum
Riley Bowman: and yelston national park as additional like yes we know it's not the easiest
Riley Bowman: thing in the world to get here but come here and do all these other things.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah i mean you're gonna have to stay at least a night in a hotel getting here
Jacob Paulsen: and another one getting out somewhere in the state.
Jacob Paulsen: You can't access this range without being on a two-lane highway. Anyway, that's enough.
Jacob Paulsen: I'm saying all these negative things about the state that I love and cherish
Jacob Paulsen: as my home state. Many of the things
Riley Bowman: You love about it are.
Jacob Paulsen: The things I'm saying. But does it make sense? Is it the national destination for shooting?
Riley Bowman: I don't think so.
Riley Bowman: You do have things like the NRA Whittington Center in Raton,
Riley Bowman: New Mexico, that, again, is not really close to anything and is a destination,
Riley Bowman: for a lot of folks shooting-wise. That is a ridiculous comparison.
Jacob Paulsen: Ridiculous. How far is Raton, New Mexico from the Albuquerque airport?
Riley Bowman: Raton to Albuquerque is probably, what, probably still three to four hours?
Jacob Paulsen: Three to four hours.
Riley Bowman: Somewhere in that ballpark.
Jacob Paulsen: How far is Cody from –
Jacob Paulsen: I don't know if Salt Lake or Denver would be closer. That's a Google app.
Riley Bowman: I hear what you're saying.
Jacob Paulsen: Eight hours?
Riley Bowman: No, I think what you said earlier, six, seven, six.
Jacob Paulsen: No, not from Denver. From the Denver airport, it's more than six hours.
Jacob Paulsen: I think it's seven. The problem with the Salt Lake airport is you basically
Jacob Paulsen: have to go through Yellowstone to get to Salt Lake airport.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: So anyway, the point is, I don't get it, but I know that shooters will travel,
Jacob Paulsen: and I'm thrilled that Wyoming is willing to invest the time, energy, and resources.
Jacob Paulsen: And for the 10% of the country's populace who knows where Wyoming is,
Jacob Paulsen: I'm sure that we're thrilled too.
Riley Bowman: Let's move on to the next story.
Jacob Paulsen: There's going to be more shooting bays than there are people.
Jacob Paulsen: Oh man there are more people in our county that you and I live in than there
Jacob Paulsen: are in the state of Wyoming oh yeah by like double
Riley Bowman: I know it's crazy a friend of mine actually retired and moved to Cody so he's loving life there.
Jacob Paulsen: I'm sure he is if you like it you love it
Riley Bowman: Here's some new firearm news for you. I told you there wasn't much, but there is a little.
Riley Bowman: This is, I don't remember exactly when this was announced first, but this is kind of cool.
Riley Bowman: This is the new Caltech Sub-SDP is what it's called.
Riley Bowman: And it is the Sub-2000 in a smaller footprint. We're talking six-inch barrel,
Riley Bowman: with a brace attached to the stock and all together can be collapsed to a total
Riley Bowman: overall length of 10 inches.
Riley Bowman: Um, and, uh, so yeah, it's a pistol variant of the sub 2000,
Riley Bowman: uh, again, six inch barrel does have threads. You want to put a suppressor on it.
Riley Bowman: Uh, you can, you can mount an optic on it. You can, you know,
Riley Bowman: do those kinds of things.
Riley Bowman: I think they have a variation where it comes with, uh, uh, like an attachment
Riley Bowman: on the, the forearm of, of it that you can, um, put a spare magazine,
Riley Bowman: you know, kind of like the, what am I thinking of the pistol?
Jacob Paulsen: Um, all those conversion things. who's the hot one right now?
Riley Bowman: I'm drawing a blank all of a sudden even though I'm quite familiar with the product. I don't know.
Jacob Paulsen: They keep emailing me. They want me to come shoot one on Thursday.
Riley Bowman: You can have like a spare magazine stored up front where it acts like a front
Riley Bowman: kind of like the forearm or the firearm.
Riley Bowman: So anyway, Sub2000 SDP.
Jacob Paulsen: It's worth watching the marketing video.
Riley Bowman: That's the most noteworthy thing here I think actually.
Jacob Paulsen: You should make sure it's in the show notes.
Riley Bowman: The link is attached here. So you want to go see this new marketing video from Caltech. It's good.
Jacob Paulsen: You know, it's funny. I think Caltech is so busy asking themselves if they can
Jacob Paulsen: build it that they never ask if they should build it.
Riley Bowman: That's always been the thing with Caltech.
Jacob Paulsen: Right, right. Yeah, like...
Riley Bowman: Can we do this? Yeah, we can. All right, let's do it. Like there's zero question about it.
Jacob Paulsen: But you know what? People buy them.
Riley Bowman: Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: And this gun, I tell you, I saw the marketing video and I was like,
Jacob Paulsen: depending on the price, I'd pick that up.
Riley Bowman: Well, there's a standard version for $599, $600.
Jacob Paulsen: Okay.
Riley Bowman: And then there's a $799, so $200 more gets you,
Riley Bowman: the gun with a Vortex Crossfire optic mounted plus two 27 round Magpul P mags,
Riley Bowman: a compensator and an M lock magazine holder.
Riley Bowman: And I think that's the thing that attaches that you can, so you can,
Riley Bowman: you'll get those two magazines with the gun that are 27 rounds and you can have
Riley Bowman: one clipped in at that, that magazine holder in the front. And then of course,
Riley Bowman: one of the actual mag well of the gun.
Riley Bowman: So, you know, it's probably not a terrible price point for what it is.
Riley Bowman: I have a subject sub 2000. I like it a lot. I've got one of the older models,
Riley Bowman: and it's a great shooter.
Riley Bowman: I don't like mine. It's still very compact. I mean, you fold it in half and it's 16 inches long.
Jacob Paulsen: I think it's hard to shoot. I think it's hard to get a cheek weld.
Jacob Paulsen: I mean, if you mount an optic on it, it starts to get a little bit more reasonable.
Jacob Paulsen: But it's hard to shoot the irons for me.
Riley Bowman: I've got a couple of kids. A couple of my kids have shot mine,
Riley Bowman: and they just think it's awesome.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, I struggle with that gun.
Riley Bowman: Anyway.
Jacob Paulsen: But I like Kiltech. as a company, I think that they make guns that are relatively
Jacob Paulsen: reliable. They're just all a little bit bizarre.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, most of the guns I've owned, theirs have been quite reliable.
Riley Bowman: Check out the video. You'll want to watch that marketing video.
Riley Bowman: It's awesome. It's hilarious.
Riley Bowman: Did you catch the part where they're supposedly in some urban environment trying
Riley Bowman: to repel an alien invasion, and he's about to shoulder the brace,
Riley Bowman: and his compadre is like, whoa, hey, it is a pistol.
Riley Bowman: And he's like, oh yeah you're right and then goes one arm with it yeah fantastic
Riley Bowman: it was great well done yeah,
Riley Bowman: Let's now talk about another new gun. And I feel really dumb,
Riley Bowman: Jacob, because I did not know this existed until a few hours ago. Oh.
Riley Bowman: So somehow I completely missed the press release or something about this new
Riley Bowman: Springfield Armory Echelon Alpha.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. So they have an Alpha model.
Riley Bowman: Dude, I must have had my head buried in the sand because apparently it's been
Riley Bowman: out for a minute. I mean, sometime this year, I guess.
Jacob Paulsen: Well, if they have a press release thing for industry folk, we're not on it.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah. But I missed this one too.
Jacob Paulsen: And it just comes down to which emails I open. Because I'm on a couple of email
Jacob Paulsen: lists that are pretty Springfield fanboy heavy.
Riley Bowman: Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: I don't open all of them.
Riley Bowman: And part of it too is probably because there's probably a little bit of,
Riley Bowman: you know, the Echelon is already a pretty well-known gun now at this point.
Jacob Paulsen: It's doing well.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. They're selling them a bunch. They're even getting a bunch of law enforcement
Riley Bowman: contracts for them and stuff.
Riley Bowman: And this is easy to get lost in the – like I see Echelon and I think Echelon.
Riley Bowman: I didn't catch, though, that it's the Echelon Alpha, which is considered to
Riley Bowman: be a more budget-friendly, lower entry point price to the Echelon line.
Riley Bowman: And I was trying to figure out what really about it is so different that it,
Riley Bowman: you know, makes it cost like $120 less or whatever.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. And what I gathered is it's a little simpler slide.
Jacob Paulsen: Okay. The slide cuts themselves.
Riley Bowman: Well, it's cuts. I'm not talking just about serrations because if you'll know
Riley Bowman: on the echelon, you've got slide serrations at the front, but also the slide
Riley Bowman: itself has got a pretty deep scallop in it.
Jacob Paulsen: Oh, okay. Right?
Riley Bowman: But also at the rear of the slide of the regular Echelon has got kind of like
Riley Bowman: those little, I'll call them wings, you know, similar to like what you find on a...
Riley Bowman: Hk vp9 okay um and so they've got some ergonomic features we'll call them that
Riley Bowman: are that are supposed to aid with rack in the slide on the echelon,
Riley Bowman: the alpha deletes that deep scallop at the front deletes the little wing things
Riley Bowman: on the rear of the slide uh i'm guessing that just going to a block here slide with simple,
Riley Bowman: slide serrations cut into it is maybe saving them a little bit of.
Jacob Paulsen: Easier to manufacture or
Riley Bowman: Something, yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: There's a sight change, if I'm not mistaken.
Riley Bowman: Correct. It doesn't have the night sight. It just has a standard white front
Riley Bowman: sight, I believe, a white dot,
Riley Bowman: as opposed to a night sight on the regular Echelon models, and a plastic optic
Riley Bowman: cover plate instead of an aluminum one.
Riley Bowman: So apparently those three things, they're able to knock $111 off the MSRP.
Jacob Paulsen: So I think the big story here is not the Echelon Alpha. I think the big story
Jacob Paulsen: here is the economy is driving gun manufacturers to make less expensive guns.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, you've got FN doing that.
Jacob Paulsen: FN's whatever, 309. That's right. The FN 309. But even look like Ruger RXM. Yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: Look how well the Palmetto State Armory Dagger series is doing now.
Jacob Paulsen: How many of those are there now? Four or something? Oh, a lot.
Jacob Paulsen: You know, PSA can sell anything they make.
Jacob Paulsen: They could manufacture a hunk of metal and put it in a box and people buy it.
Jacob Paulsen: But the Daggers are doing very well.
Jacob Paulsen: The Ruger RxM is doing very well, even things like the Ross Martins,
Jacob Paulsen: we're just in an economic period where these low-cost options seem to be getting a ton of traction.
Jacob Paulsen: And if you're a company like FN or you're the Echelon, you might be saying,
Jacob Paulsen: hey, we're missing out on some market share here.
Riley Bowman: I agree. I think that, you know, it's been a couple of years now.
Riley Bowman: We've been feeling the pinch of rising prices on all kinds of things, inflation and so forth.
Riley Bowman: And I'm not the most in tune financial market person, but I pay attention to a little bit of the news.
Riley Bowman: And one of the things I pay attention to is anything I see in the news,
Riley Bowman: it talks about what the current state is of Americans' debt, okay?
Riley Bowman: Like credit card debt specifically, because that tells you a lot about where
Riley Bowman: like everyday Americans are at financially, right?
Riley Bowman: And when you see credit card balances just getting loaded, loaded,
Riley Bowman: loaded, loaded, loaded, that usually is not a very good sign, right?
Riley Bowman: Because eventually that's got to be offloaded somehow, and it usually doesn't
Riley Bowman: come very pretty for a lot of people, right?
Riley Bowman: And so, you know, because we're talking about then bankruptcies and so forth,
Riley Bowman: and, you know, that just causes a lot of downstream problems in the larger economy, right?
Riley Bowman: And where we're at is people have been sucking it up with higher price of food
Riley Bowman: and gas and all this stuff for long enough.
Riley Bowman: A lot a lot of them have been doing it with credit card balances and so i think
Riley Bowman: that's where you know and we see things too in our own business and kind of what sales look like and,
Riley Bowman: you know we don't always know the whys and ins and outs of everything but i kind of suspect that,
Riley Bowman: you know people are are pulling in the reins a little bit with their spending because,
Riley Bowman: it's just it's time to do that so i don't know that's what i perceive and my
Riley Bowman: of course my perceptions may not always be entirely accurate, but...
Jacob Paulsen: Regardless, this seems to be an indicator that at least Springfield folk think
Jacob Paulsen: that it makes sense to have a more economic entry into the marketplace.
Jacob Paulsen: I think it's also an indicator in terms of other things this is a symptom of.
Jacob Paulsen: It's a symptom of the echelon is kicking butt and the XDs are dying.
Riley Bowman: Sure, yeah.
Jacob Paulsen: The new flagship product over there now is the echelon.
Riley Bowman: Of course.
Jacob Paulsen: X what? Oh yeah, no, we still have those. That's the feeling I get from Springfield
Jacob Paulsen: now. The echelon is the game.
Riley Bowman: For sure. They have definitely...
Riley Bowman: Put all their eggs in that basket now and no problem with.
Jacob Paulsen: Me on that end like cool yeah it rocks keep going
Riley Bowman: Yeah um totally i'm with you there so uh yep so that's that's the news on the
Riley Bowman: echelon it has the same uh,
Riley Bowman: vis optic system which you just wrote an article about a couple weeks ago uh
Riley Bowman: it's a really clever optic system took me.
Jacob Paulsen: A while to wrap my head around it frankly like what made it special or different but yeah very cool
Riley Bowman: Yeah so you know it still has all the same guts they just change the slide uh
Riley Bowman: the front sight and apparently the optic plate but it's still the same gun uh other than that
Riley Bowman: i don't have confirmation yet i'm it's something i need to look into some more as to whether the uh,
Riley Bowman: alpha version of the echelon will also work with,
Riley Bowman: the echelon holster we sell at ksg armory that's a good question but that is
Riley Bowman: something i'm trying to get confirmation on yeah,
Riley Bowman: we're gonna take a quick break and just talk about i mentioned we would talk
Riley Bowman: a little more about it we did mention it a fair bit at the beginning but we want to just talk,
Riley Bowman: a little more about that free webinar coming up in a couple of weeks here about
Riley Bowman: basically about two weeks out we've got that free webinar called the truth about
Riley Bowman: low light our guest instructor,
Riley Bowman: slash webinar co-host will be Dan Brady of Apache Solutions.
Riley Bowman: Jacob, you want to kind of preview a little bit of what we're going to cover in that webinar?
Jacob Paulsen: Thanks, because I was going to take over anyway.
Jacob Paulsen: I am a little bit remiss to admit it, but I think that the reality is that the
Jacob Paulsen: majority of the people listening or watching this have never had any professional low-light training.
Jacob Paulsen: And the rest of you who have, this is the part I'm a little bit,
Jacob Paulsen: I don't know about embarrassed, but it's hard to admit.
Jacob Paulsen: But for those of you who have received some low-light training,
Jacob Paulsen: is probably flawed in two major ways.
Jacob Paulsen: First, that it's outdated, significantly outdated.
Jacob Paulsen: And second, that it comes out of law enforcement, which is a context that has
Jacob Paulsen: best practices and tactics built around a law enforcement mission,
Jacob Paulsen: which doesn't apply to concealed carriers.
Jacob Paulsen: Because that's just where these things are built. That's where curriculums are
Jacob Paulsen: designed. that's, you know, and it's just, it is what it is.
Jacob Paulsen: And outdated because everything gets better. We always get smarter as a community,
Jacob Paulsen: as an industry, but also because the gear is driving the innovation here.
Jacob Paulsen: Like most of you are probably running low light techniques designed around a
Jacob Paulsen: 4D cell mag light flashlight.
Jacob Paulsen: So this webinar is part of a larger effort We're pushing in August to bring
Jacob Paulsen: some low-light education to our community.
Jacob Paulsen: And there's going to be some other cool series of content we're going to be
Jacob Paulsen: doing the same week as that webinar.
Jacob Paulsen: It'll be available for free that we'll be sending out emails about.
Jacob Paulsen: But the webinar will kind of be the culmination of a lot of that.
Jacob Paulsen: And Dan Brady is our subject matter expert we're bringing in.
Jacob Paulsen: And I think Dan is uniquely positioned on this because he, in his 25-year law
Jacob Paulsen: enforcement career, 20 of those years, he's been training cops.
Jacob Paulsen: And all sorts of cops, local cops, state cops, federal cops,
Jacob Paulsen: federal law enforcement agency cops, SWAT cops, and military cops.
Jacob Paulsen: So, but in the last 10 years with Apache Solutions, he's been taking this curriculum,
Jacob Paulsen: all these low-light things he knows from his law enforcement career and saying,
Jacob Paulsen: okay, how do we adapt this?
Jacob Paulsen: How do we, and he's been putting the concepts to the test and talking to other
Jacob Paulsen: industry professionals and he's developed a low-light curriculum that I think is fantastic.
Jacob Paulsen: And this webinar is a place where you can come and get some information about
Jacob Paulsen: what you don't know or what you think you know that's wrong or outdated or just
Jacob Paulsen: doesn't apply in the context of our world.
Jacob Paulsen: So I can't more strongly tell you to just go sign up and register for this webinar.
Riley Bowman: What's one thing that you've had recently your mind changed on with regards to low light?
Jacob Paulsen: Everything I know about low light has changed this year.
Riley Bowman: Okay, everything. I was looking for one simple example. Come on, Jacob.
Jacob Paulsen: And I got some low light training from what I think is the best,
Jacob Paulsen: right? Like you and I took a low light class from Kyle Lamb.
Jacob Paulsen: Like I can't think of a more authoritative figure to learn from any firearm
Jacob Paulsen: related topic than Kyle Lamb.
Jacob Paulsen: And I'm not saying Kyle taught me anything wrong. I'm saying that a lot of the
Jacob Paulsen: things I thought I believed or understood or accepted as best practices about
Jacob Paulsen: low light have changed in the last six months.
Jacob Paulsen: Since we've been working on this project with Dan.
Riley Bowman: And I would say that even, and not,
Riley Bowman: Anything, I mean, to your point, nothing against the class or Kyle Lamb that
Riley Bowman: we took. Nope. We took that class in February of 2017.
Jacob Paulsen: Well, it was a carbine class. It was not about a handgun.
Riley Bowman: Things have changed since 2017. So much.
Riley Bowman: Technology with respect to the actual lights we carry has changed significantly
Riley Bowman: since 2017. Like, stuff is way better. And there's more of it that's available
Riley Bowman: than what there was in 2017.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. So that by nature changes what we can do with lights, especially handheld
Riley Bowman: lights, but also weapon-mounted lights.
Riley Bowman: And that means we need to make sure we are up to date with the latest and greatest
Riley Bowman: with respect to low-light equipment and tactics in use.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah. To answer your question more specifically, I'll say this.
Jacob Paulsen: I today believe something that a year ago I would have been shocked to have
Jacob Paulsen: heard come out of my mouth and that is that today if I had to choose when I'm
Jacob Paulsen: loading up in the morning between my flashlight or my pepper spray I take the flashlight
Riley Bowman: Yep excellent choice cool yeah,
Riley Bowman: nice thing is we have options like palm and what.
Jacob Paulsen: Not Well, I have lots of pockets. It still works out.
Riley Bowman: That makes it easy to still carry both.
Jacob Paulsen: I can bring all the things. Concealedcarry.com forward slash lowlight webinar.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah. Get registered. It's free.
Jacob Paulsen: We haven't made a decision yet about the recording of that webinar.
Jacob Paulsen: So I just encourage you to put it on the calendar.
Jacob Paulsen: You have enough time right now to just lock it in. I think it'll be,
Jacob Paulsen: if I'm remembering correctly, 8 p.m. Eastern.
Jacob Paulsen: That gives you a span all the way to 5 p.m. Pacific time. So somewhere between
Jacob Paulsen: 5 p.m. and 8 p.m. depending on where you are in the country.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah. Unless you're one of those Hawaii, Alaska people.
Riley Bowman: Yep. All right.
Riley Bowman: We've got another Springfield Armory story. This is nothing too crazy.
Riley Bowman: This is somewhat old news at this point, I think, relatively speaking.
Riley Bowman: But I don't think we've talked about it before. And I think what it shows,
Riley Bowman: and this is why it's included in the show notes today, Jacob,
Riley Bowman: is Springfield Armory is now adopting the Aimpoint COA footprint.
Riley Bowman: Across more of its guns.
Riley Bowman: And that includes the 1911s that they have, as well as the 1911 DS,
Riley Bowman: which is a double stack 1911 pistols as well.
Riley Bowman: And so this is just be, I think what it shows is there's more and more industry
Riley Bowman: adoption of that COA footprint, which if you're not familiar,
Riley Bowman: folks, it's initially it was only available like on Glocks for like a year.
Riley Bowman: But uh the koa footprint and the koa optic essentially has a a hook or a lip
Riley Bowman: that on the front of the optic and
Riley Bowman: where it interfaces with the cut and the slide that locks it in place in the
Riley Bowman: front of the optic and then the rear of the optic has a another lip that's held
Riley Bowman: down by essentially the rear sight screwing down uh,
Riley Bowman: through you know onto that that little lip so it locks it in place.
Riley Bowman: The optic itself is in no way screwed or mounted to the slide of the gun itself.
Riley Bowman: It is just wedged in there, cammed in there.
Riley Bowman: And it is cammed, like it's truly wedged and cammed in.
Riley Bowman: Uh, through the use of that, uh, rear sight attachment that as it tightens down,
Riley Bowman: things just get tighter and tighter.
Riley Bowman: Uh, that's good because it removes any possible play in the optic that can,
Riley Bowman: you know, with more kind of traditional style now,
Riley Bowman: pistol optics, uh, if there's a little bit of play in that optic at all,
Riley Bowman: um, even if you think it's tight, it could still shake things loose and break
Riley Bowman: screws off and things like that.
Riley Bowman: So this Koa footprint is I think taking off more and more as we see more adoption.
Riley Bowman: You know, it could be that this, and I don't know, it's probably too early to
Riley Bowman: say that, but it could be that this is the future as far as,
Riley Bowman: you know, we see more and more stuff like this.
Jacob Paulsen: Maybe. I think that when Aimpoint launched the COA in partnership with Glock
Jacob Paulsen: and gave Glock exclusivity for a year, they had a significant amount of success
Jacob Paulsen: in the law enforcement marketplace.
Jacob Paulsen: And so I think that if you're a fire manufacturer and you want to have success
Jacob Paulsen: in the law enforcement marketplace, then you want to be adopting the COA.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Yep.
Riley Bowman: There you go um we're gonna take another quick sponsor break and just touch
Riley Bowman: a little bit don't you know stick with us we're almost almost done here we got
Riley Bowman: uh only one more story to really talk about,
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Riley Bowman: hundreds of them to guardian nation members the last box we had for members that went out uh,
Riley Bowman: we've had a little bit of time to play with it now you and i and i've come to
Riley Bowman: really like it i'd gotten to where i liked a lot my backpack style range bag uh,
Riley Bowman: which red hip gear we had one like that uh for you know it's called the um range
Riley Bowman: ruck uh which is a great bag as well uh and i like the idea of being able to
Riley Bowman: throw a bag on my back with straps you know but,
Riley Bowman: uh Going back to kind of a more,
Riley Bowman: standard duffel style range bag,
Riley Bowman: you just kind of go, oh, yeah, there's pluses and minuses to the different styles of bags out there.
Riley Bowman: What I realized a lot of times is that I would grab my range ruck and I would
Riley Bowman: just grab by the handle and haul it like a bag.
Riley Bowman: You know and then it's sort of
Riley Bowman: like well you know it's a little bit off balance when you do it that way,
Riley Bowman: as opposed to just having a normal duffel bag and so uh it's been it's been
Riley Bowman: nice to get acquainted with a a quality duffel style range bag i'll tell you
Riley Bowman: you can it's got a lot of great organization pockets in it,
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Riley Bowman: equipment for the range, a couple of,
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Riley Bowman: your ear pro your ipro uh so i've been really impressed with the talon range bag.
Jacob Paulsen: I think it's the perfect size like that's that's my favorite thing about it
Jacob Paulsen: is that um you can have a range bag that's too that's just really too big for the average
Jacob Paulsen: you know one to two people and you can have range bags that are too small yeah
Jacob Paulsen: and this feels like it's just that perfect size where me and my wife We could
Jacob Paulsen: load all our gear in this bag and go to the range and be happy.
Jacob Paulsen: We could take four guns and 500 rounds of ammo and two sets of ears,
Jacob Paulsen: two sets of eyes, all the mags, cleaning kits, little tool kit,
Jacob Paulsen: the oil, whatever, the gloves, all that stuff's in that bag.
Riley Bowman: And it's organized.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah, it's organized. It's easy to use. It feels very manageable.
Riley Bowman: It's just Goldilocks, man.
Jacob Paulsen: Not too big, not too small.
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Riley Bowman: I also think price on it's reasonable. It's $89.99 for the bag.
Riley Bowman: You get a nice bag for the price.
Riley Bowman: All righty. One more story. And this is –,
Riley Bowman: This is more of a personal thing, Jacob. Okay. You probably saw this and didn't
Riley Bowman: know what it was all about.
Riley Bowman: But in the last month, a few weeks ago, I received news that a dear friend of mine passed away.
Riley Bowman: I don't know that you know this friend, Jacob.
Jacob Paulsen: I know the name.
Riley Bowman: His name is Greg Motes. And I was taken aback at his passing.
Riley Bowman: I thought it was too soon. I mean, he was 73 years old.
Riley Bowman: And of course, you know, I mean, we just never know when our time is.
Riley Bowman: There's nothing unheard of about a 73-year-old man passing away.
Riley Bowman: I just thought Greg would be around longer.
Riley Bowman: He was a great man. I wanted to share a couple of things with people about Greg.
Riley Bowman: And I would feel bad about myself if I didn't honor the man because I really looked up to him a lot.
Riley Bowman: And you said you know the name. So I'm curious about anything that you have
Riley Bowman: to share as well. But here's a couple of things about Greg Motes.
Riley Bowman: First of all, he served in the U.S. Marine Corps. He was a lieutenant.
Riley Bowman: He grew up, I mean, he was passionate about shooting for pretty much all his life.
Riley Bowman: Loved guns. He loved anything to do with guns. He had the most amazing gun room
Riley Bowman: I have ever stepped foot inside in his property up near Laramie, Wyoming.
Riley Bowman: He had a beautiful ranch up there. I don't know how many acres,
Riley Bowman: but he had hundreds or thousands of acres up there. He built an awesome little
Riley Bowman: range there and a beautiful home with, again, this gun room.
Riley Bowman: It was a safe. It had an actual safe door. It was a vault. It was a vault,
Riley Bowman: yeah. And you go in there and a couple of comfortable chairs and walls of guns,
Riley Bowman: and he knew the story behind every gun.
Riley Bowman: He had a lot of classic and collectible guns, as well as a lot of practical things, too.
Riley Bowman: He was a good shooter. He was a good instructor.
Riley Bowman: He was acquainted with all of the greats in the industry.
Riley Bowman: I think I heard someone say that he had attended the Columbia Conference where
Riley Bowman: the International Practical Shooting Confederation was founded under the direction of Jeff Cooper.
Riley Bowman: But I don't think he was actually at that conference, but he was involved in
Riley Bowman: many of the things that followed very soon after.
Riley Bowman: He was acquainted with Jeff Cooper. He was acquainted with Gunsight.
Riley Bowman: He attended Gunsight many, many, many times. It was one of his favorite places on earth.
Riley Bowman: He was well acquainted with the Wilsons Bill and Joyce Wilson of Wilson Combat and IDPA.
Riley Bowman: And recently I had this open on my browser actually I was going to go back and
Riley Bowman: and look at it again I had read it but I was going to look at it again and I
Riley Bowman: had been thinking about something similar for our site Jacob,
Riley Bowman: and I felt bad that I I sort of missed the anniversary and I should have been
Riley Bowman: paying more attention, but the anniversary of the 50th anniversary of the founding
Riley Bowman: of IPSC, which I know that not everybody cares about, but I want you to care about it.
Riley Bowman: And there's a reason why, because it's not just because I enjoy competition
Riley Bowman: shooting. It's because, um.
Riley Bowman: We need to have an appreciation for the history of everything we know today.
Riley Bowman: And everything comes from something else and from somewhere else and from somebody else.
Riley Bowman: And so much of what we see today, whether you are purely defensive minded,
Riley Bowman: civilian, concealed carry only,
Riley Bowman: whether you're on the law enforcement side, military side, you carry a gun for
Riley Bowman: a living, you're a security officer, whatever.
Riley Bowman: The gear you use to carry your gun today, whether it's a duty belt,
Riley Bowman: a competition belt, a concealment belt, a concealment holster.
Riley Bowman: I mean, things like Kydex.
Riley Bowman: And you remember we had years ago on the podcast Bill Rogers on,
Riley Bowman: right, talking about his early development of holsters with Kydex material,
Riley Bowman: right, and how that led to products with Safariland.
Riley Bowman: And Safariland has been like the holster maker for duty equipment and gear for decades.
Riley Bowman: And so much of that evolved out of things that came from guys like Bill Rogers,
Riley Bowman: which came out of things because of IPSC and what came before IPSC.
Riley Bowman: Because IPSC came about because of things in the work that Jeff Cooper and friends
Riley Bowman: were doing before that, with things like the leather slap matches back in the
Riley Bowman: 50s and 60s and even before that.
Riley Bowman: And so my point is that Greg Motz was a part of much of that history.
Riley Bowman: He honored that history. He was a wonderful storyteller, and he knew a lot of,
Riley Bowman: these old farts that knew this stuff and lived this stuff.
Riley Bowman: And he wrote this article a few weeks, yeah, about a month or so ago about the
Riley Bowman: 50th anniversary of the founding of IPSC.
Riley Bowman: And I thought it was an excellent article. And I meant to send him a message
Riley Bowman: saying, hey, nice article. I appreciated you putting that together.
Riley Bowman: He attended, I think this is one of the last public things he did,
Riley Bowman: is he attended a reunion of sorts where they had a lot of these old timers that
Riley Bowman: were there at the founding of IPSC at the Columbia Conference.
Riley Bowman: On Bill Wilson's ranch back in May. And he wrote about that experience,
Riley Bowman: about being there with these people.
Riley Bowman: And they had a little shooting competition even.
Riley Bowman: And I just, I enjoyed the article. And I had it still open on my browser and was going to message him.
Riley Bowman: And then i saw he passed away and uh,
Riley Bowman: we we are i think truly diminished as a gun community with the loss of this
Riley Bowman: great man greg motes one more thing jacob one of my favorite this is actually
Riley Bowman: how i first got truly acquainted with greg most i knew of him,
Riley Bowman: but i first got really acquainted with him and to where i would consider him
Riley Bowman: a friend because i was invited by rob latham to assist rob uh he He allowed
Riley Bowman: me to be an assistant, you know, an AI, I guess,
Riley Bowman: during a class he taught on Greg Motz's ranch range there in Laramie,
Riley Bowman: Wyoming for a couple of days.
Riley Bowman: And so I got to spend a couple of days with Rob Latham and a great class of
Riley Bowman: students and some after class, you know, private time just hanging out in Greg Motz's place.
Riley Bowman: And it was awesome.
Riley Bowman: And some of my favorite memories, honestly, were made that weekend in that class,
Riley Bowman: with a couple of greats in this industry.
Riley Bowman: And so anyway, just wanted to take a minute and honor and recognize the loss,
Riley Bowman: of a great man. So there you go.
Jacob Paulsen: I have nothing to add.
Riley Bowman: Okay.
Jacob Paulsen: Yeah. We are lesser.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. That's okay. I know you didn't know him like I knew him, but,
Riley Bowman: he and I would trade messages from time to time, and he treated me with way
Riley Bowman: more respect, I feel like, than I deserved coming from a guy like him.
Riley Bowman: So anyway, there you go.
Riley Bowman: Well, that brings us to a conclusion of today's podcast.
Riley Bowman: Hopefully you got something out of this. I know that, you know,
Riley Bowman: maybe not all these things,
Riley Bowman: jive with every listener, but our hope is that by sharing stuff like this and
Riley Bowman: news stories like this, that overall, we're just helping, you know,
Riley Bowman: do our part in the industry and in the community to educate and inspire and inform people.
Riley Bowman: And yeah, our sponsors again today were the free webinar coming up on August 13th.
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Riley Bowman: and the Talon range bag that you can find at readyupgear.com.
Riley Bowman: And I'm curious if you have any final parting words, Jacob.
Jacob Paulsen: No, I don't. I was hoping something really profound would come to me in that moment.
Jacob Paulsen: But it was nothing. My brain was blank.
Riley Bowman: It was nothing. Yeah. I know I spoke a lot about Greg, but I was just thinking,
Riley Bowman: I hope that we can all, as I think about him and remembering him,
Riley Bowman: and I've heard so many good things said about him from other friends that knew
Riley Bowman: him over the last few weeks.
Riley Bowman: I would hope that when it's my turn to depart this life, that I've made a difference
Riley Bowman: in the world for the better.
Riley Bowman: And I think that's something that's aspirational for any of us,
Riley Bowman: that we want to leave the world a better place.
Riley Bowman: People may not always remember us forever and ever, but just hoping that knowing
Riley Bowman: I made a difference, You made a difference, and you guys, our listeners,
Riley Bowman: our viewers, somehow make a difference, particularly for the better.
Riley Bowman: And that's in our communities, in our homes, our families, our churches,
Riley Bowman: in the broader gun community.
Riley Bowman: We have a wonderful Second Amendment that we should honor and cherish and do
Riley Bowman: our part in trying to help it to grow and flourish and not,
Riley Bowman: lose our rights and things like that.
Jacob Paulsen: Absolutely.
Riley Bowman: That would be my parting words so with that let's,
Riley Bowman: bid you adieu and say goodbye until next time a reminder to train right,
Riley Bowman: train often and train safe.
Jacob Paulsen: So you can fight hard, fight fast and fight true take care
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