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<v Riley Bowman>And welcome to the Concealed Carry

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<v Riley Bowman>Podcast, part of the ConcealedCarry.com network, brought to you by HK.

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<v Riley Bowman>Today is Friday, May 15th, 2026, as of the live recording of this episode.

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<v Riley Bowman>And I am your host, Riley Bowman.

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<v Riley Bowman>And I'm joined today by our fellow compadre here at ConcealedCarry.com,

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<v Riley Bowman>Mitch Gert. Hello, Mitch.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>Hi. How's it going?

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<v Riley Bowman>It's going. You've been on before, but it's been a while. and uh yeah this

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<v Mitch Goerdt>Is my second time on so hopefully it goes well.

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<v Riley Bowman>Yeah that's right yeah i i think it's gonna

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<v Riley Bowman>go great yeah uh for those wondering jacob's a little bit under the weather

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<v Riley Bowman>this week and uh kind of kept putting off the podcast a day another day another

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<v Riley Bowman>day kind of like you know all right is he gonna feel better or feel up to it

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<v Riley Bowman>uh and and yesterday the decision was made mitch you're up man step into the batter's box gotta

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<v Mitch Goerdt>Do what i gotta.

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<v Riley Bowman>Do so glad to have you uh you know people may not always realize that you're

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<v Riley Bowman>you're the kind of the main guy behind our social media and youtube and all

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<v Riley Bowman>that uh here at concealedcarry.com they may see you occasionally in some uh

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<v Riley Bowman>you've done a few little like

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<v Mitch Goerdt>Shorts or i'm like i'm like a bad guy a lot of times in videos and every once

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<v Mitch Goerdt>in a while i'll do a short here and there but i i mostly just kind of stay behind the scenes here.

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<v Riley Bowman>Yeah. Well, some of your, you've done a couple of shorts or reels over the last year or two that,

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<v Riley Bowman>you know, where you're kind of maybe getting into more of an analysis or of

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<v Riley Bowman>a situation or maybe even like a proposed law or something and you always do a great job.

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<v Riley Bowman>So if folks don't know you, I think we'll have an opportunity today to get to

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<v Riley Bowman>know you a little bit better and see your take on things.

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<v Riley Bowman>And I think they'll appreciate you, so.

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<v Riley Bowman>But hey guys, today's a Justified Saves episode.

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<v Riley Bowman>That means this is our episode we try to do once a month, and we're trying to

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<v Riley Bowman>get back in the swing of doing that regularly, because there were a couple months we missed.

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<v Riley Bowman>So we're here back with Justified Saves, which is what we call defensive gun

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<v Riley Bowman>uses, meaning that there are justified uses of self-defense,

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<v Riley Bowman>typically involving a gun.

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<v Riley Bowman>And it's the time. We've got a bunch of stories lined up for you here today.

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<v Riley Bowman>Looking forward to breaking these down with you.

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<v Riley Bowman>You're going to enjoy this. I do want to highlight ahead of time,

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<v Riley Bowman>kind of tease a little bit that we've got one story.

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<v Riley Bowman>Some of you probably already saw this on social media, maybe on YouTube or in

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<v Riley Bowman>the news or something, of basically a mass, at least an attempted mass shooter.

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<v Riley Bowman>He did, I think, only shoot two people, thank goodness, in Boston.

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<v Riley Bowman>And this is the story that inspired today's title because,

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<v Riley Bowman>and this is where you're going to want to stick around and catch this at the

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<v Riley Bowman>end, because we're going to tell you how the media has written out of the history

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<v Riley Bowman>books, the armed citizen that played into stopping that violent attacker.

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<v Riley Bowman>So stick around. That's a good one. It's a great story.

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<v Riley Bowman>Very heroic. and it comes with a really important, we'll call it a,

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<v Riley Bowman>I don't know if it's a call to action necessarily, but maybe it should be. Yeah.

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<v Riley Bowman>Guys, you need to know that people are actively working against our rights and

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<v Riley Bowman>specifically our right to carry and use whatever weapon we decide in self-defense

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<v Riley Bowman>should we need to, right? So stick around for that story.

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<v Riley Bowman>That's a good one out of Boston. But first, today's episode is sponsored.

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<v Riley Bowman>I think this fits a purpose and a place in certain contexts.

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<v Riley Bowman>In fact, we've got a story here that we'll talk later today,

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<v Riley Bowman>a justified safe story, where I think that maybe this could have been a tool

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<v Riley Bowman>for the person and actually probably could have been a tool for any people of these people involved.

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<v Riley Bowman>But there's one specifically I have in mind.

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<v Riley Bowman>Stick around for that. We'll highlight that story and kind of explain where

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<v Riley Bowman>I think something like the reach to us for our safety could have been a factor.

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<v Riley Bowman>something securely mounted, but

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<v Riley Bowman>Accessible within 0.2 of a second. Okay. So really, really cool.

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<v Riley Bowman>Uh, I hope to have one mounted up next to my bed actually in my,

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<v Riley Bowman>my bedroom. So, uh, hopefully soon.

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<v Riley Bowman>We talked about the Reach 2S with their vehicle mount being an option for that,

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<v Riley Bowman>and I think it's probably the only viable vehicle mounted option that I've come

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<v Riley Bowman>across that would work in that context well.

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<v Riley Bowman>i think there is actually there may have been a discount i

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<v Riley Bowman>code mitch and i'm going to see if we can find that and if i do we'll make sure

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<v Riley Bowman>to share that with you all that sounds familiar i think they emailed us after

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<v Riley Bowman>I will actually highlight, they have a, I think it's a $40,

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<v Riley Bowman>Or I think it's $40 off the rack system.

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<v Riley Bowman>Maybe it's just a 10% across the board sale, but they have their summer sale

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<v Riley Bowman>Oh, I don't know if I got the code. Oh, here it is. Yes, we got a code.

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<v Riley Bowman>Concealed Carry 20 is the code. There we go. I'm glad I remembered to share

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<v Riley Bowman>So mitch let's uh we'll get to our other sponsor

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<v Riley Bowman>here after our segment okay so

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<v Riley Bowman>this is a little something different normally we have some stories that are

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<v Riley Bowman>what not to do stories but we didn't have any like clear-cut what

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<v Riley Bowman>not to do this this time around i'm sure i could have found some but as we just

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<v Riley Bowman>go through things organically there's def there's usually those that i'm like

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<v Riley Bowman>oh that's a you know big time tactical error or a big time legal problem potentially

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<v Riley Bowman>uh and and we don't have any clear-cut cases of that here but we do have two

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<v Riley Bowman>stories that were kind of like

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<v Riley Bowman>Like, what's going on here?

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<v Riley Bowman>So I've been talking for a minute here. I'm going to turn it to you.

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<v Riley Bowman>You're going to get trial by fire here, bud.

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<v Riley Bowman>Tell us about this first story out of Northwest Harris County, Texas.

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<v Riley Bowman>The title is Masked Intruder Breaks In, Flees, Returns, Then Gets Shot.

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<v Riley Bowman>Tell us what went down there in Texas.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>So this happened back on May 6th, and it was just before 6 a.m.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>A masked-gloved intruder broke through the back door of a home occupied by three

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<v Mitch Goerdt>adults and two children, ages 12 and 13.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>The homer confronted the suspect, and a physical altercation ensued without a firearm.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>The suspect fled the scene, and then, I don't know, I guess he decided to come

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<v Mitch Goerdt>back because he came back. The homeowner went and got his handgun and shot him.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>The suspect ran away again, jumped a fence, and ended up – that's as far as he got.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>He was found on a trail outside the fence. I know that.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>So weird story.

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<v Riley Bowman>Yeah, police found him there a short distance from the home, it says.

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<v Riley Bowman>Yeah, this is – so this is our first story today because, yeah,

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<v Riley Bowman>it was like you just pointed out

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<v Riley Bowman>Guy broke into the house, altercation happened there inside the house.

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<v Riley Bowman>Basically, the homeowner, it sounds like they fought this intruder until they

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<v Riley Bowman>got him outside the home.

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<v Riley Bowman>And then eventually, at some point there, it breaks away, or the intruder breaks away.

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<v Riley Bowman>And so it's like, all right, cool, great. Mission accomplished as far as homeowner, Mr.

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<v Riley Bowman>Homeowner, you successfully defended yourself in your home, your family,

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<v Riley Bowman>got this guy out of the house.

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<v Riley Bowman>Hopefully you got back in the house and secured everything.

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<v Riley Bowman>But then it says this intruder came back and another altercation occurred outside

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<v Riley Bowman>the home in the backyard.

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<v Riley Bowman>And that's where he got shot. And it's like, this is why it's the, hmm?

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<v Riley Bowman>Because i mean it's not so much about the fact that intruder

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<v Riley Bowman>came back a second time i mean that is a little

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<v Riley Bowman>bit surprising but those sorts of things can

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<v Riley Bowman>and have happened uh but it's sort of why was the homeowner still out in the

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<v Riley Bowman>backyard that gave the opportunity for this guy to then attack him a second

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<v Riley Bowman>time so yeah that that's that's really the lesson to be learned here is When the problem is solved,

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<v Riley Bowman>get yourself to safety and stay there until police arrive.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>Right, absolutely. Go back in the house and retrieve your gun.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>That's what I assume this guy did here.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>Then why are you going back outside? I guess maybe he's thinking he's going

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<v Mitch Goerdt>to go investigate and see if he's still around, but it's not smart to leave the safety of your home.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>Then you've got a door that you can lock and make sure the guy doesn't come back in.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>You're armed now but it weird that he

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<v Mitch Goerdt>went back outside i don't know if he and it didn't really say in the story whether

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<v Mitch Goerdt>he grabbed a gun and went outside looking with the gun or if he went outside

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<v Mitch Goerdt>and the guy came back and when did the gun come into play how did he get it

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<v Mitch Goerdt>but uh he didn't have it in the first altercation i guess as.

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<v Riley Bowman>Far as we know right yeah it actually does say in the news story this by the

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<v Riley Bowman>way is on click to houston.com and guys you can always find the links to the

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<v Riley Bowman>news stories we talk about in justified saved episodes in the show notes uh

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<v Riley Bowman>once they're published in the podcast feed um

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<v Riley Bowman>But it says, yeah, when the homeowner went back inside, this is after the initial

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<v Riley Bowman>altercation, the suspect returned

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<v Riley Bowman>to the property, leading to a second confrontation in the backyard.

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<v Riley Bowman>And that's when, according to investigators, the homeowner got a handgun and shot the man.

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<v Riley Bowman>So it's the timing, at least according to what's reported is,

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<v Riley Bowman>altercation, altercation ended, homeowner goes inside, back inside the home,

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<v Riley Bowman>the dude returns to the property, but then there's a second confrontation in the backyard.

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<v Riley Bowman>That would seem to imply the homeowner went out when he was already back inside

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<v Riley Bowman>again because the guy came back and he probably saw him through the window or

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<v Riley Bowman>whatever, saw him in the backyard, and then at that point got the handgun and then shot the man.

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<v Riley Bowman>So that's where there are some details here that are kind of like,

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<v Riley Bowman>not really sure what was going on.

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<v Riley Bowman>And regardless, there's definitely some, some tactical errors that were made.

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<v Riley Bowman>And the foremost one being, uh, well, lock your door.

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<v Riley Bowman>If, if, cause it does say that they don't know how the man got in the house,

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<v Riley Bowman>other than they think he just came to the back door.

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<v Riley Bowman>Okay but after that initial uh

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<v Riley Bowman>altercation inside the home getting the

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<v Riley Bowman>man outside the home then go back in the home lock the doors

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<v Riley Bowman>call police and arm yourself there and but stay there don't go back outside

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<v Riley Bowman>so uh yeah that's that's this first one here there's a question in the facebook

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<v Riley Bowman>feed saying did he succumb to his injuries uh the intruder here and he did he

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<v Riley Bowman>he died they found him dead on the the walking trail that was just outside the

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<v Riley Bowman>the property here so yeah

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<v Riley Bowman>Yeah. Thank you for the comment, Shahid. Shahid is the one that's asking that

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<v Riley Bowman>on Facebook and he also chimes in saying he owns restaurants in Houston.

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<v Riley Bowman>So, wow. Yeah. So this was in the, this was in Northwest Harris County.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>It seems like having that walking trail just outside of your fence line is probably

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<v Mitch Goerdt>a good reason to have some sort of cameras, lighting system in your backyard.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>If he came through the back door, that's clearly where he came from in.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>So, so understanding what you're surrounded by in your area,

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<v Mitch Goerdt>having, having a plan set, knowing all these things, having that,

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<v Mitch Goerdt>the home defense strategy and know that, all right, he ran back in the house, call 911,

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<v Mitch Goerdt>find out, you know, family, whatever you got to do.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>But yeah, it seems like this one,

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<v Mitch Goerdt>one that you could, if you're in that situation, you got to prepare for.

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<v Riley Bowman>Yeah, that's the number one thing with home defenses. You got to harden the

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<v Riley Bowman>home defense ahead of time.

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<v Riley Bowman>And all those things are definitely a part of that plan, that home defense plan.

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<v Riley Bowman>I am shocked, you know, speaking in walking trails and residential neighborhoods.

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<v Riley Bowman>There's a trail I frequently do for walks, sometimes with my family or my wife,

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<v Riley Bowman>or I use it quite often when I go for a run as well.

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<v Riley Bowman>And I'm shocked at the one, two, three, four, five, at least five homes that

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<v Riley Bowman>are along this trail that have low fences or, in one case, no fence at all.

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<v Riley Bowman>And I get, like, there's, you know, there's a nice little lake or pond right

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<v Riley Bowman>there, and this trail, there's trees, and it's this beautiful outdoor area.

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<v Riley Bowman>And I get this, you know, like wanting to enjoy that and sort of make that a

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<v Riley Bowman>part, almost like an extension of your backyard.

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<v Riley Bowman>But I'm just shocked. Like I look at that and I comment to my wife and she understands.

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<v Riley Bowman>But at the same time, she's like, yeah, but you can see that they enjoy having

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<v Riley Bowman>their home and their backyard set up like this.

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<v Riley Bowman>And I'm like, it's hard enough as it is when, you know, you got to be concerned

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<v Riley Bowman>about the front of the home and defending that. Now, as soon as you open up

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<v Riley Bowman>that backyard, it's 360 degrees that you've got to be a lot more concerned about.

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<v Riley Bowman>And so, anyway, harden the perimeter of your homes, folks.

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<v Riley Bowman>And make sure you lock those doors. Number, or second story here in the hmm category.

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<v Riley Bowman>Man shot his foot at 3 a.m., returns at 8 a.m., kicks the door in, then gets shot.

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<v Riley Bowman>This is, bear with me here. This is, this one's interesting.

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<v Riley Bowman>All right. So this happened in Jackson, Mississippi, which by the way is like, it's not number one.

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<v Riley Bowman>It's like number two most violent crime town per capita in the U.S.

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<v Riley Bowman>So not a big surprise there but uh at

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<v Riley Bowman>approximately 3 a.m the 25 year old suspect arrived

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<v Riley Bowman>at a residence he got into an altercation with

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<v Riley Bowman>an occupant now from the reporting and mitch called me out on this he he pointed

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<v Riley Bowman>it out and our we were planning ahead of time here he's like was this guy just

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<v Riley Bowman>there like he was a guest or what and i read the story again i was like okay

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<v Riley Bowman>it's a little bit unclear it does seem to imply he just happens to be at the

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<v Riley Bowman>home not that he like broke into the home.

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<v Riley Bowman>I read it, I think the first time as he broke into the home once and then broke into it again.

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<v Riley Bowman>But it sounds like he may have just been a guest in the home.

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<v Riley Bowman>And he's there, he gets into a fight with one of the residents and shoots that

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<v Riley Bowman>resident in the foot. Okay.

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<v Riley Bowman>So that happens at about 3 a.m. This is back on May 1st, by the way, so like two weeks ago.

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<v Riley Bowman>And then about five hours later, so 7.55 a.m.

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<v Riley Bowman>It says in the story, he returns to the house, fires multiple rounds through

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<v Riley Bowman>the front door, then kicks the door in, then gets shot by the homeowner.

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<v Riley Bowman>And I believe he's found dead. Let's see here.

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<v Riley Bowman>Yeah, he is found dead, shot multiple times right there in the front sidewalk

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<v Riley Bowman>in front of the home. And so...

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<v Riley Bowman>I was like, whoa, this is quite a story. You know, I mean, what is going on here?

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<v Riley Bowman>Dude is there, shoots one of the residents, then comes back five hours later,

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<v Riley Bowman>and then tries to shoot them again.

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<v Riley Bowman>I'm not sure what happened between 3 a.m. and 7.55 a.m., Mitch.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>Apparently, they didn't call the cops at all or anything. Right.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>This initial shooting. So, this is a weird one.

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<v Riley Bowman>This is where i'm like this is in the category because i kind of think there

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<v Riley Bowman>was some illicit activities taking place that's probably why nobody was called the first time i'm

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<v Mitch Goerdt>Guessing i'm guessing some nefarious action was happening in that first one.

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<v Riley Bowman>Uh so yeah but regardless of that

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<v Riley Bowman>i'm a big believer in this regardless of

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<v Riley Bowman>whether there was other illicit activities or

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<v Riley Bowman>behavior taking place uh when he

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<v Riley Bowman>comes back a second time and shoots his way and kicks

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<v Riley Bowman>his way through the front door even if these guys

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<v Riley Bowman>are criminals i still believe that everybody has the right

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<v Riley Bowman>to self-defense and in that in that

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<v Riley Bowman>second altercation or whatever you want to call that that

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<v Riley Bowman>is for sure an act of self-defense as far as how we read

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<v Riley Bowman>this right because he comes back he shoots through the door

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<v Riley Bowman>kicks through the door and then gets shot in defense like

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<v Riley Bowman>i don't care if those guys on the other side of that door are

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<v Riley Bowman>gangbangers i know some of you would be like serves them right probably does

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<v Riley Bowman>but they everyone still has the right self-defense and in that second incident

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<v Riley Bowman>like that's for sure self-defense but what was going on before that who knows

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<v Riley Bowman>because somebody got shot and nobody apparently knew as far as the authorities that's

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<v Mitch Goerdt>That's the civil court side of things i think you got to worry about the your

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<v Mitch Goerdt>your past altercations with this person but in that moment uh you're definitely

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<v Mitch Goerdt>fearing for your life when someone's firing through the front door so yeah definite

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<v Mitch Goerdt>self-defense here but might.

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<v Riley Bowman>Be wild there's

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<v Mitch Goerdt>There's some some stuff to dig dig up in that background of that first shooting

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<v Mitch Goerdt>what's going on there that might come up in a in a civil court battle or or something.

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<v Riley Bowman>For sure

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<v Riley Bowman>So that was an interesting one. So yeah, that concludes our category of today's

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<v Riley Bowman>Justified Saves episode.

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<v Riley Bowman>A couple of those that just had some interesting details that had me,

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<v Riley Bowman>you know, scratching the head a little bit.

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<v Riley Bowman>We're pulling on those chin hairs, just trying to figure out.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>Two shootings in which a person was there, left, and then back again.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>Yeah. Same night, same morning.

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<v Riley Bowman>Yeah. And as we're going to feature in another story, you know,

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<v Riley Bowman>criminals be criminals, man.

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<v Riley Bowman>So, yeah, there's definitely a chance that they come back. It's not the first

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<v Riley Bowman>time we've seen this in Justified Saves episodes.

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<v Riley Bowman>And I can think of another incident where there was a shooting that took place

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<v Riley Bowman>at a home or maybe it wasn't a shooting initially, but it was a fight of some kind.

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<v Riley Bowman>And then those individuals basically did a drive-by shooting as they came back

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<v Riley Bowman>a little while later. and the resident, you know, engaged them with his firearm at that point.

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<v Riley Bowman>So it's definitely something that should be on your mind. If you do have an

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<v Riley Bowman>incident that occurs, do not assume that it's over, okay?

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<v Riley Bowman>Get yourself somewhere safe and secure where you maybe hopefully have reasonable

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<v Riley Bowman>amount of cover protection from, you know, in case they come back for any reason, right?

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<v Riley Bowman>And then make that 911 call and get authorities there as soon as possible because, you know,

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<v Riley Bowman>if something particularly if it's a violent crime of any sort they're going

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<v Riley Bowman>to be there for a while and then at least provides you some amount of coverage

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<v Riley Bowman>that they're the bad guy's probably not coming back when there's you know four

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<v Riley Bowman>or seven you know police vehicles out front of your place

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<v Mitch Goerdt>So and there's just a you want to have a record of that first attack like if.

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<v Riley Bowman>For sure even

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<v Mitch Goerdt>If it didn't come back but like you want to have that on record so whatever

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<v Mitch Goerdt>you're doing Hopefully if you're not breaking the law already,

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<v Mitch Goerdt>you better, you better call the police, I guess.

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<v Riley Bowman>Yeah, no, you should always, always call.

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<v Riley Bowman>Yeah, I'm reminded of just, I think the last Justified Saves episode was the,

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<v Riley Bowman>I think it was like a DoorDash driver or something.

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<v Riley Bowman>And, you know, he got, it was a shooting between him and another vehicle.

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<v Riley Bowman>And, you know, he responded, he shot back, but he immediately,

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<v Riley Bowman>he got himself somewhere safe, pulled off, called 911.

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<v Riley Bowman>He did everything right to a T. Like that's, that's a great example of this sort of thing.

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<v Riley Bowman>I could think of another one a while back where someone was involved in a shooting

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<v Riley Bowman>and it was, I think at a convenience store or gas station.

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<v Riley Bowman>And, you know, they responded with fire, they defended themselves,

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<v Riley Bowman>and then they got themselves the heck out of there, and the one thing we talked

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<v Riley Bowman>about in that story was that,

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<v Riley Bowman>you know, some people would be concerned about leaving the scene,

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<v Riley Bowman>but you do need to do what is important for you safety-wise first,

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<v Riley Bowman>and be calling 911 so that, you know, for sure you want to be the first one that calls,

00:22:21.013 --> 00:22:26.533
<v Riley Bowman>because that always paints you in a better light, so get yourself the heck out if you need to,

00:22:26.753 --> 00:22:32.173
<v Riley Bowman>if that's what's necessary to be safe, make that 911 call as soon as is possible safely.

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<v Riley Bowman>And, you know, just because you had to, you know, for your own safety,

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<v Riley Bowman>leave the area initially doesn't mean you're going to be looked at as the bad guy.

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<v Riley Bowman>I mean, you could, but, you know, just depending on the circumstances,

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<v Riley Bowman>but it doesn't always equate that you're the bad guy because you leave the scene, if that makes sense.

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<v Riley Bowman>You do what you got to do to be safe, but make that 911 call. All right.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>Definitely need a trauma kit with you. You've had to use them in car accidents, things like that.

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<v Riley Bowman>A couple of times. Yeah. Actually, I got into my son's trauma kit today.

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<v Riley Bowman>Now, he has a small, like, so my youngest, he's in second grade or about to finish second grade.

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<v Riley Bowman>A while back, he's like, Dad, I want a medical kit with me at school.

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<v Riley Bowman>And I was like, okay. I mean, I'm thinking like Band-Aids, right?

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<v Riley Bowman>And he's like, no, no, like what you have.

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<v Riley Bowman>So I had a couple of leftover, you know, like, and some older things that were

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<v Riley Bowman>just in a kit that wasn't really getting used. So I put together a little kit

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<v Riley Bowman>for him that he could take with him to school. He takes it with him to school every day.

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<v Riley Bowman>And we also put in there some Band-Aids and, you know, things that are more

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<v Riley Bowman>of a first aid kit sort of nature, not necessarily a trauma kit.

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<v Riley Bowman>But he wanted, you know, a bandage and like a pressure bandage and a couple

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<v Riley Bowman>of things because he wanted to be legit.

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<v Riley Bowman>So one of those things in that kit was an ace wrap, okay, or an elastic bandage.

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<v Riley Bowman>And today he fell during field day

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<v Riley Bowman>was mostly taken care of with a large band-aid but he

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<v Riley Bowman>still wanted to run around and have fun on field day he's like the bandage is

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<v Riley Bowman>wrap bandage and just wrapped it wrapped it around his elbow in the in the in

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<v Riley Bowman>All right, let's get into some more stories, some justified saves.

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<v Riley Bowman>We got some good ones here. Mitch, how about this next one here?

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<v Riley Bowman>Masked burglar demands money, grabs for a gun, gets shot in the struggle.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>Okay. Yeah, this one happened in Nashville. A 56-year-old man was watching TV

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<v Mitch Goerdt>in his bedroom when a 45-year-old Derek Mercer entered wearing a medical mask

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<v Mitch Goerdt>and demanded money from him.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>So the the homeowner then

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<v Mitch Goerdt>grabs his gun that i guess is just sitting next

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<v Mitch Goerdt>to him on the bed or yeah he's

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<v Mitch Goerdt>watching tv in his bedroom nightstand something grabs

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<v Mitch Goerdt>grabs with the gun the guy breaking in dives

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<v Mitch Goerdt>for it too they're struggling uh and

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<v Mitch Goerdt>while they're struggling the weapon discharges and and the bad guy is struck

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<v Mitch Goerdt>in the chest uh he survived but uh police confirmed that the victim knew Mercer

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<v Mitch Goerdt>but did not recognize him with the mask on at the time.

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<v Mitch Goerdt>And now this guy's facing aggravated burglary charges and unlawful gun possession.

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<v Riley Bowman>It's not unusual that break-ins

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<v Riley Bowman>occur, you know, like that the perpetrator is somebody that is known.

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<v Riley Bowman>You know, I'm not going to say it's like the most common type of like home invasion

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<v Riley Bowman>necessarily, but it's, this is not the first time I've seen this either.

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<v Riley Bowman>Right. And then one of the reasons for that, perhaps, especially if this was

00:28:02.027 --> 00:28:07.367
<v Riley Bowman>intended to be some kind of theft is, uh, which of course it could have been

00:28:07.367 --> 00:28:11.827
<v Riley Bowman>something else, but if it's a theft, it's because some of the people closest to us know what we have.

00:28:12.667 --> 00:28:16.147
<v Riley Bowman>So that's something we got to watch out for uh which

00:28:16.147 --> 00:28:20.047
<v Riley Bowman>is also why it's wise to maybe be careful keep your your cards close to your

00:28:20.047 --> 00:28:24.807
<v Riley Bowman>chest uh especially if if there's somebody in your life that you know that but

00:28:24.807 --> 00:28:28.667
<v Riley Bowman>you don't necessarily really fully trust uh don't let them know what you have

00:28:28.667 --> 00:28:33.387
<v Riley Bowman>uh don't let them know where the gold is you know stored or the guns or whatever right

00:28:33.387 --> 00:28:39.007
<v Mitch Goerdt>Yeah this one is probably a good one for that vera safety uh that.

00:28:39.007 --> 00:28:41.807
<v Riley Bowman>Was exactly what i was thinking mitch

00:28:41.807 --> 00:28:45.067
<v Mitch Goerdt>Yeah i'm safe there like like the

00:28:45.067 --> 00:28:48.047
<v Mitch Goerdt>the idea of having you know he had that gun right next

00:28:48.047 --> 00:28:50.967
<v Mitch Goerdt>to him good on him for having a gun there

00:28:50.967 --> 00:28:55.667
<v Mitch Goerdt>and and being able to defend himself but it was also just right there in a place

00:28:55.667 --> 00:29:00.727
<v Mitch Goerdt>where this intruder is diving forward at the same time as him instead of only

00:29:00.727 --> 00:29:05.787
<v Mitch Goerdt>being able to be reached by him in that moment and and then it becomes you know

00:29:05.787 --> 00:29:08.467
<v Mitch Goerdt>you're fighting for your life over a gun instead of,

00:29:09.242 --> 00:29:14.922
<v Mitch Goerdt>In a gunfight, whoever gets the gun is who's going to survive this fight.

00:29:15.162 --> 00:29:20.942
<v Mitch Goerdt>So it's not a, I see these comments all the time when we talk about gun safes

00:29:20.942 --> 00:29:26.242
<v Mitch Goerdt>and the gun on the nightstand, people saying that they need to have it there

00:29:26.242 --> 00:29:28.242
<v Mitch Goerdt>and ready for them in that moment.

00:29:28.242 --> 00:29:33.422
<v Mitch Goerdt>And I guess they're always imagining this specific event in which a intruder

00:29:33.422 --> 00:29:38.482
<v Mitch Goerdt>is busting into your bedroom with, and you're coming out of, I guess,

00:29:38.742 --> 00:29:43.182
<v Mitch Goerdt>being passed out sleeping too, that you have to have it so quick that it can't

00:29:43.182 --> 00:29:48.102
<v Mitch Goerdt>be in a safe or in a biometric virus safety hole safe.

00:29:49.362 --> 00:29:53.442
<v Mitch Goerdt>And then, but if this guy's already in the room, he's already right there.

00:29:53.942 --> 00:29:57.102
<v Mitch Goerdt>As that happens, you're, you're fighting over the gun with him.

00:29:57.102 --> 00:29:59.222
<v Mitch Goerdt>It's not, you don't have possession of that gun.

00:29:59.402 --> 00:30:02.862
<v Mitch Goerdt>So if you're worried about a person being in that room with you at that moment

00:30:02.862 --> 00:30:09.382
<v Mitch Goerdt>of realization that you're being robbed or being attacked, I don't want to have, you know,

00:30:09.642 --> 00:30:13.722
<v Mitch Goerdt>I don't want to have the gun or the self-defense tool in between the two of

00:30:13.722 --> 00:30:15.902
<v Mitch Goerdt>us. And now we're fighting over that tool.

00:30:16.082 --> 00:30:18.842
<v Mitch Goerdt>I would rather have it in a place where only I can get it.

00:30:19.694 --> 00:30:22.754
<v Mitch Goerdt>When i'm ready to get it so that was.

00:30:22.754 --> 00:30:27.994
<v Riley Bowman>You just you nailed it man like that was this is exactly the story i was thinking

00:30:27.994 --> 00:30:31.234
<v Riley Bowman>that i had in mind when i was doing the virus safety sponsor message

00:30:32.014 --> 00:30:36.714
<v Riley Bowman>was this this incident because i know people that are like well i don't have

00:30:36.714 --> 00:30:41.414
<v Riley Bowman>little ones in the house so i'm not worried about unauthorized access you know

00:30:41.414 --> 00:30:43.434
<v Riley Bowman>it's just me it's just me my wife whatever

00:30:43.874 --> 00:30:46.654
<v Riley Bowman>and so i just keep you know when i go to bed at night i just keep the gun on

00:30:46.654 --> 00:30:49.834
<v Riley Bowman>the nightstand it's like, cool, bro. I understand. I get that.

00:30:50.274 --> 00:30:53.234
<v Riley Bowman>That's a decision you get to make as a big boy or a big girl.

00:30:53.974 --> 00:30:58.034
<v Riley Bowman>But this is just one of those things that maybe you don't necessarily think about.

00:30:58.274 --> 00:31:04.374
<v Riley Bowman>And it is, hey, what if, what if, and it's good to play those what ifs, right?

00:31:04.734 --> 00:31:10.654
<v Riley Bowman>What if dude ends up in your room and you somehow don't know that, okay?

00:31:11.294 --> 00:31:14.694
<v Riley Bowman>And they see your gun on your nightstand. Boom.

00:31:14.694 --> 00:31:22.274
<v Riley Bowman>Like man it's it's on okay uh and by the way we have shared stories on justified

00:31:22.274 --> 00:31:27.014
<v Riley Bowman>saves episodes in in years past where home intruder

00:31:28.030 --> 00:31:31.690
<v Riley Bowman>Basically, the homeowner or homeowners, like man and wife, let's say,

00:31:31.910 --> 00:31:36.970
<v Riley Bowman>are basically awakened by bad dudes standing over them in the bed or awakened

00:31:36.970 --> 00:31:40.090
<v Riley Bowman>by being struck in the head with a hammer or something.

00:31:41.450 --> 00:31:47.330
<v Riley Bowman>It's like if your gun's right there out in the open, if they manage to make

00:31:47.330 --> 00:31:53.930
<v Riley Bowman>it that far, instead of a hammer, they could have your own gun in their hand and use it against you.

00:31:53.930 --> 00:31:59.170
<v Riley Bowman>So it's good to maybe still consider having some form of secure but quick access

00:31:59.170 --> 00:32:02.730
<v Riley Bowman>storage, even if you're not worried about little ones running around.

00:32:03.150 --> 00:32:07.510
<v Riley Bowman>So just this is one of those stories. It's like I like I like it for that.

00:32:07.850 --> 00:32:13.570
<v Riley Bowman>What if scenario that maybe gets us to pause a little bit and reevaluate what we do.

00:32:13.690 --> 00:32:16.650
<v Riley Bowman>It doesn't mean I'm trying to tell you what to do or how to go about your life

00:32:16.650 --> 00:32:18.350
<v Riley Bowman>necessarily in this regard.

00:32:19.070 --> 00:32:23.130
<v Riley Bowman>But it maybe hopefully gives you some just something else to think about.

00:32:23.670 --> 00:32:27.910
<v Riley Bowman>And I'll tell you, with products like that Vara Safety Reach 2S,

00:32:28.050 --> 00:32:31.290
<v Riley Bowman>where you could have it mounted to the side of your bed, it's secure.

00:32:31.470 --> 00:32:35.670
<v Riley Bowman>Nobody can get it except who's ever authorized fingerprint and stored in that thing.

00:32:37.090 --> 00:32:40.050
<v Riley Bowman>It's still really fast, okay?

00:32:40.250 --> 00:32:45.350
<v Riley Bowman>So you can still have your gun in an instant, but it's secure until you need it.

00:32:46.270 --> 00:32:50.670
<v Riley Bowman>So anyway, perfect. I was glad you picked up on that as well, reading this story.

00:32:50.670 --> 00:32:55.270
<v Mitch Goerdt>I think this is, I mean, being that this fight is happening over,

00:32:55.270 --> 00:32:59.090
<v Mitch Goerdt>over your gun, I think it's a good time to think about like,

00:32:59.230 --> 00:33:01.590
<v Mitch Goerdt>are you training to, you know,

00:33:01.890 --> 00:33:06.490
<v Mitch Goerdt>fighting for retention of your firearm, understanding how to keep it on you

00:33:06.490 --> 00:33:11.690
<v Mitch Goerdt>and, and, and get it, gain access to it in a fight or keep access of it in a

00:33:11.690 --> 00:33:13.630
<v Mitch Goerdt>fight. So something to think about.

00:33:13.810 --> 00:33:18.010
<v Mitch Goerdt>I know like our Guardian Conference, some of that stuff.

00:33:18.150 --> 00:33:24.210
<v Mitch Goerdt>And I've seen a lot of great instruction there on that subject and keeping your

00:33:24.210 --> 00:33:27.330
<v Mitch Goerdt>hands on the gun and getting other people's hands off your gun.

00:33:27.530 --> 00:33:28.910
<v Mitch Goerdt>Something that you should be training.

00:33:30.182 --> 00:33:33.282
<v Riley Bowman>100 percent uh yeah how how are those hand-to-hand skills

00:33:33.282 --> 00:33:36.142
<v Riley Bowman>we will have you know over the years we've been very fortunate to

00:33:36.142 --> 00:33:39.162
<v Riley Bowman>have some amazing trainers on the combative

00:33:39.162 --> 00:33:42.202
<v Riley Bowman>side of the equation at the guardian conference

00:33:42.202 --> 00:33:45.122
<v Riley Bowman>this year we'll have cecil birch um if you

00:33:45.122 --> 00:33:48.042
<v Riley Bowman>guys don't know dude is he's practically a legend

00:33:48.042 --> 00:33:51.202
<v Riley Bowman>in this area okay uh everyone i

00:33:51.202 --> 00:33:53.942
<v Riley Bowman>know that knows cecil birch respects the heck out

00:33:53.942 --> 00:33:56.962
<v Riley Bowman>of cecil for not only what he knows

00:33:56.962 --> 00:33:59.882
<v Riley Bowman>and has experience wise but also for the the kind

00:33:59.882 --> 00:34:02.922
<v Riley Bowman>of human that he is uh if you want to learn from

00:34:02.922 --> 00:34:06.062
<v Riley Bowman>one of the best in in the industry for

00:34:06.062 --> 00:34:09.182
<v Riley Bowman>teaching hand to hand combatives close quarters

00:34:09.182 --> 00:34:14.362
<v Riley Bowman>uh you know retention all that come come to the guardian conference and get

00:34:14.362 --> 00:34:18.382
<v Riley Bowman>some training with directly you know one-on-one well it'll be part of a small

00:34:18.382 --> 00:34:21.622
<v Riley Bowman>group but you know you know what i mean you get some training face to face with

00:34:21.622 --> 00:34:26.142
<v Riley Bowman>one of the best in the business and that's cecil birch so yeah so i'm glad you

00:34:26.142 --> 00:34:26.982
<v Riley Bowman>mentioned that as well mitch

00:34:27.967 --> 00:34:33.567
<v Riley Bowman>Let's get to our next one here. Let's see. We've got a story out of Las Vegas.

00:34:34.427 --> 00:34:36.767
<v Riley Bowman>This happened in a Smith's food store.

00:34:37.727 --> 00:34:43.487
<v Riley Bowman>And I saw the address, Mitch, which is quoted directly in the news story.

00:34:43.667 --> 00:34:45.387
<v Riley Bowman>And I was like, son of a gun.

00:34:45.587 --> 00:34:49.887
<v Riley Bowman>Like, I know right where that is. And why I know where that is is because I

00:34:49.887 --> 00:34:55.787
<v Riley Bowman>lived like two blocks away when I lived in Las Vegas, geez, 20 years ago this summer.

00:34:56.087 --> 00:35:00.147
<v Riley Bowman>That's crazy to think. I only lived there for a little less than six months,

00:35:00.147 --> 00:35:05.167
<v Riley Bowman>but we lived in Silverado Ranch neighborhood, which is where this Smiths is located.

00:35:06.287 --> 00:35:09.007
<v Riley Bowman>So I don't think I actually shopped at the Smiths while we lived there.

00:35:09.067 --> 00:35:12.567
<v Riley Bowman>I think we went to, I don't know.

00:35:12.827 --> 00:35:16.067
<v Riley Bowman>Oh, it was a Walmart neighborhood market because that one was right across the

00:35:16.067 --> 00:35:16.847
<v Riley Bowman>street from where we lived.

00:35:16.967 --> 00:35:20.567
<v Mitch Goerdt>I figured maybe it was one that we'd shopped at when we were there for SHOT

00:35:20.567 --> 00:35:22.947
<v Mitch Goerdt>Show. We've been in some sketchy looking Smiths.

00:35:23.787 --> 00:35:27.387
<v Riley Bowman>Okay, so I'm glad you mentioned that. The one that we have stopped at two or

00:35:27.387 --> 00:35:30.527
<v Riley Bowman>three times over the years and shopped at when we're down there,

00:35:30.547 --> 00:35:34.707
<v Riley Bowman>you know, staying in Airbnb is like the next nearest Smiths to this one.

00:35:37.147 --> 00:35:41.667
<v Riley Bowman>So, yeah, I picked up on that as well. I was like, oh, that's not far from where

00:35:41.667 --> 00:35:44.767
<v Riley Bowman>we, because at first I was like, wait, is that the, I was like, no, no, no.

00:35:45.107 --> 00:35:47.947
<v Riley Bowman>Because this one's a little bit further east than that one.

00:35:48.067 --> 00:35:51.527
<v Riley Bowman>But anyway, yeah, so here's what happened. Okay, not to make light of,

00:35:51.687 --> 00:35:54.367
<v Riley Bowman>you know, we're kind of, you know, laughing right now, but let's,

00:35:54.367 --> 00:35:57.807
<v Riley Bowman>let's dial it back in and get serious with the story. This is a sad story.

00:35:58.787 --> 00:36:01.927
<v Riley Bowman>This happened, basically what it was, was a...

00:36:02.590 --> 00:36:07.190
<v Riley Bowman>It was an ambush style killing, uh, by, uh, presumably just an,

00:36:07.190 --> 00:36:09.210
<v Riley Bowman>an angry ex of a woman. Okay.

00:36:09.350 --> 00:36:13.790
<v Riley Bowman>So, uh, you got this woman, uh, she gets, she's gotten married to this guy.

00:36:14.170 --> 00:36:21.030
<v Riley Bowman>Okay. But her ex boyfriend whom she has two kids with, uh, is obviously still

00:36:21.030 --> 00:36:25.050
<v Riley Bowman>mad at, you know, the fallout between him and her or whatever.

00:36:25.190 --> 00:36:28.250
<v Riley Bowman>And now she's remarried. And so he goes after, and apparently

00:36:28.250 --> 00:36:31.290
<v Riley Bowman>she works at the smiths and she's married to

00:36:31.290 --> 00:36:34.030
<v Riley Bowman>a guy that works at the smiths because it says they were both

00:36:34.030 --> 00:36:37.390
<v Riley Bowman>there at work uh and so this

00:36:37.390 --> 00:36:40.870
<v Riley Bowman>guy a 43 year old suspect knows where

00:36:40.870 --> 00:36:44.330
<v Riley Bowman>his ex-girlfriend works knows where her new newish

00:36:44.330 --> 00:36:47.830
<v Riley Bowman>husband also works with her go actually

00:36:47.830 --> 00:36:50.830
<v Riley Bowman>he goes to their house first if you read carefully in the news story

00:36:50.830 --> 00:36:53.490
<v Riley Bowman>he talks it talks about how later as police are doing

00:36:53.490 --> 00:36:56.550
<v Riley Bowman>an investigation they find that this man this

00:36:56.550 --> 00:36:59.490
<v Riley Bowman>you know estranged ex-boyfriend shot his

00:36:59.490 --> 00:37:02.310
<v Riley Bowman>way through the back door like shot a

00:37:02.310 --> 00:37:05.290
<v Riley Bowman>glass sliding door shot that out the glass goes

00:37:05.290 --> 00:37:10.050
<v Riley Bowman>inside ransacks the house ransacks their bedroom okay and that happened pretty

00:37:10.050 --> 00:37:14.390
<v Riley Bowman>early in the morning and then a few hours later he makes his way to the smiths

00:37:14.390 --> 00:37:19.350
<v Riley Bowman>where they work finds them they happen to be together and going down the same

00:37:19.350 --> 00:37:23.090
<v Riley Bowman>aisle doing work whatever you know i don't know what their job positions were but They,

00:37:23.290 --> 00:37:27.630
<v Riley Bowman>he, he basically follows them down a shopping aisle,

00:37:28.070 --> 00:37:29.870
<v Riley Bowman>ambushes them, shoots, kills them both.

00:37:30.410 --> 00:37:35.870
<v Riley Bowman>Okay. Sad and tragic because again, uh, you know, she's at least the mother

00:37:35.870 --> 00:37:39.630
<v Riley Bowman>to two of this, these children that she shares with her ex-boyfriend.

00:37:39.870 --> 00:37:42.290
<v Riley Bowman>I presumably there's some other kids involved as well.

00:37:42.670 --> 00:37:46.710
<v Riley Bowman>They, they're not there as this happens fortunately, but now,

00:37:46.890 --> 00:37:51.670
<v Riley Bowman>you know, these kids got a mama and maybe a father or stepfather at the very

00:37:51.670 --> 00:37:53.690
<v Riley Bowman>least that are no longer with them.

00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:59.560
<v Riley Bowman>Now, here's the heroic part of the story, and this is actually pretty good, okay?

00:37:59.820 --> 00:38:07.800
<v Riley Bowman>So that's the tragic part, but the heroic part is that, so the shooting happens, okay?

00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:11.840
<v Riley Bowman>And people in the store, you know, pick up on this. Some start scrambling for

00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:14.860
<v Riley Bowman>the exits, you know, doing the right thing, getting the heck out of there.

00:38:15.700 --> 00:38:18.460
<v Riley Bowman>One man who was a truck driver who happened to just stop there,

00:38:18.620 --> 00:38:24.040
<v Riley Bowman>he had a load to pick up a little bit later. or he's just grabbing some supplies

00:38:24.040 --> 00:38:25.060
<v Riley Bowman>for the road or whatever.

00:38:26.080 --> 00:38:31.000
<v Riley Bowman>He runs to where the shooting took place and sees the man with the gun.

00:38:31.260 --> 00:38:36.640
<v Riley Bowman>The man sees him, presumably starts raising the gun, and this truck driver tackles

00:38:36.640 --> 00:38:38.600
<v Riley Bowman>him. And now the fight is on.

00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.820
<v Riley Bowman>Then that's when another man who's in the store with his family,

00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:48.660
<v Riley Bowman>he's got, I think, his wife and kids with him, he escorts them quickly away.

00:38:48.660 --> 00:38:52.920
<v Riley Bowman>He gets them to safety. He goes back because he realizes this man is fighting

00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.140
<v Riley Bowman>with the gunman and he's in trouble.

00:38:55.380 --> 00:39:00.080
<v Riley Bowman>So now this other guy gets involved and the two of them now together are able

00:39:00.080 --> 00:39:04.720
<v Riley Bowman>to gain control over the gunman's gun, get that away from him,

00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:08.140
<v Riley Bowman>get him subdued until authorities and police can arrive.

00:39:09.567 --> 00:39:16.087
<v Riley Bowman>These guys are absolute heroes and deserve that title completely because instead

00:39:16.087 --> 00:39:18.687
<v Riley Bowman>of, you know, they could have, they could have just left.

00:39:18.747 --> 00:39:22.407
<v Riley Bowman>And the one man in particular had his family there with him and he could have just gone with him.

00:39:22.487 --> 00:39:26.047
<v Riley Bowman>And I would not have questioned or judged a person for doing that.

00:39:26.207 --> 00:39:26.767
<v Mitch Goerdt>Not at all.

00:39:27.027 --> 00:39:31.647
<v Riley Bowman>But he instead also turned around once his family, he felt like his family was safe.

00:39:31.847 --> 00:39:36.967
<v Riley Bowman>He turned around and went back into the fight and was a part of stopping this.

00:39:36.967 --> 00:39:43.807
<v Riley Bowman>What started out as a targeted ambush style murder, but could have then turned

00:39:43.807 --> 00:39:47.367
<v Riley Bowman>into a mass shooting. We don't know for sure.

00:39:47.767 --> 00:39:50.587
<v Riley Bowman>We don't know what the intents were of this man, but we do know.

00:39:50.747 --> 00:39:52.067
<v Riley Bowman>Here's an interesting detail.

00:39:53.207 --> 00:39:58.607
<v Riley Bowman>When police arrived, they found him with a .45 caliber handgun and they also

00:39:58.607 --> 00:40:03.607
<v Riley Bowman>found him with a 9mm carbine with multiple magazines.

00:40:03.887 --> 00:40:07.267
<v Riley Bowman>It's like, hey, typically if you're just going to ambush your

00:40:07.267 --> 00:40:10.167
<v Riley Bowman>ex-girlfriend and her husband you don't really need

00:40:10.167 --> 00:40:14.507
<v Riley Bowman>more than just the handgun you're gonna do that with uh so it's possible this

00:40:14.507 --> 00:40:20.107
<v Riley Bowman>guy was planning on doing more uh just you know because that's that's the way

00:40:20.107 --> 00:40:23.267
<v Riley Bowman>it goes sometimes people it's like i'm gonna i'm gonna go out i'm gonna go out

00:40:23.267 --> 00:40:27.967
<v Riley Bowman>big i'm gonna take as many as i can with me so i don't know what's your take on that uh

00:40:27.967 --> 00:40:36.167
<v Mitch Goerdt>Yeah i was i was gonna say that it it seemed to me in my mind that he had those extra an extra gun,

00:40:36.787 --> 00:40:39.587
<v Mitch Goerdt>multiple magazines he he didn't put

00:40:39.587 --> 00:40:42.547
<v Mitch Goerdt>them in there i mean he put he put them in his bag and brought them in there knowing

00:40:42.547 --> 00:40:45.507
<v Mitch Goerdt>at least at least thinking that he might use them

00:40:45.507 --> 00:40:48.307
<v Mitch Goerdt>and he if he was only going to kill one one or two

00:40:48.307 --> 00:40:51.687
<v Mitch Goerdt>people he was thinking that he was going to go out bigger

00:40:51.687 --> 00:40:57.067
<v Mitch Goerdt>than bigger than just that so i think that he probably was looking to hurt more

00:40:57.067 --> 00:41:02.847
<v Mitch Goerdt>people than just just that first two and yeah like he said these guys were it's

00:41:02.847 --> 00:41:08.747
<v Mitch Goerdt>suit they are heroes and we I see people talk about this a lot like.

00:41:10.063 --> 00:41:15.543
<v Mitch Goerdt>In a situation like this, you know, your duty is to yourself and your family

00:41:15.543 --> 00:41:18.523
<v Mitch Goerdt>and your loved ones get them away.

00:41:18.623 --> 00:41:23.363
<v Mitch Goerdt>And as the second guy did, like he got his family out of the store and the story

00:41:23.363 --> 00:41:28.043
<v Mitch Goerdt>that I had read said he noticed he saw the fight happening with the other guy

00:41:28.043 --> 00:41:29.563
<v Mitch Goerdt>as he took his family out of the store.

00:41:29.683 --> 00:41:34.283
<v Mitch Goerdt>And he just couldn't, couldn't, you know, he knew he had to go back in and help

00:41:34.283 --> 00:41:36.343
<v Mitch Goerdt>this guy out. He wasn't going to leave him alone there.

00:41:36.623 --> 00:41:39.943
<v Mitch Goerdt>And both of them were heroes for sure in my book.

00:41:40.063 --> 00:41:44.743
<v Mitch Goerdt>And like you said, I wouldn't blame anybody for running out of that store and

00:41:44.743 --> 00:41:46.403
<v Mitch Goerdt>getting to safety in that moment.

00:41:46.623 --> 00:41:55.223
<v Mitch Goerdt>And oftentimes when shooting erupts, I just recently read a Greg Elifritz article

00:41:55.223 --> 00:41:58.583
<v Mitch Goerdt>when he's talking about this type of situation.

00:41:59.503 --> 00:42:07.463
<v Mitch Goerdt>Oftentimes when shooting goes off, there's a specific reasoning on gang fights, whatever it is.

00:42:07.463 --> 00:42:10.323
<v Mitch Goerdt>It's you don't really know what's happening in that situation it's

00:42:10.323 --> 00:42:13.983
<v Mitch Goerdt>oftentimes not the typical mass shooter situation that

00:42:13.983 --> 00:42:16.783
<v Mitch Goerdt>we all think about like i know when i think about

00:42:16.783 --> 00:42:19.803
<v Mitch Goerdt>uh these things and i and i try to you know

00:42:19.803 --> 00:42:22.843
<v Mitch Goerdt>i've heard uh john correa

00:42:22.843 --> 00:42:25.743
<v Mitch Goerdt>talk about having like what's my my

00:42:25.743 --> 00:42:28.663
<v Mitch Goerdt>indicator of when i'm gonna when i'm gonna do my when i'm

00:42:28.663 --> 00:42:31.363
<v Mitch Goerdt>gonna when am i gonna join this fight when do i have to i

00:42:31.363 --> 00:42:34.963
<v Mitch Goerdt>heard chris seiper talking about it in his courses knowing

00:42:34.963 --> 00:42:37.863
<v Mitch Goerdt>where's my line and what do i have

00:42:37.863 --> 00:42:44.363
<v Mitch Goerdt>like what what is the what is my go signal like yeah and and i think that in

00:42:44.363 --> 00:42:48.943
<v Mitch Goerdt>the situation those guys had you know they had that in themselves they knew

00:42:48.943 --> 00:42:54.243
<v Mitch Goerdt>what they were willing to fight for and what they you know were willing to what

00:42:54.243 --> 00:42:56.183
<v Mitch Goerdt>they knew they had to run from and this time was,

00:42:56.823 --> 00:43:00.103
<v Mitch Goerdt>they knew that they could help and they wanted to help and they they fought

00:43:00.103 --> 00:43:02.803
<v Mitch Goerdt>in that moment and i good for them for doing that.

00:43:03.003 --> 00:43:07.643
<v Mitch Goerdt>I, I would, I would hope that I had that courage, uh, to do that,

00:43:07.823 --> 00:43:11.023
<v Mitch Goerdt>to help out in that situation too. When, if that time does come.

00:43:11.836 --> 00:43:15.036
<v Riley Bowman>Yeah. I appreciate your, your own thoughts on that.

00:43:15.136 --> 00:43:22.296
<v Riley Bowman>And analysis says spot on dude, uh, to know what, yeah, where that line is for

00:43:22.296 --> 00:43:26.496
<v Riley Bowman>each of us individually and what we are willing and able, uh,

00:43:26.676 --> 00:43:29.216
<v Riley Bowman>to do and having a plan ahead of time where possible.

00:43:29.596 --> 00:43:33.776
<v Riley Bowman>Good stuff. Now you mentioned John Korea, by the way, uh, he actually is one

00:43:33.776 --> 00:43:37.216
<v Riley Bowman>of our stories. Now I'm not, I'm going to, I'm going to go ahead and take the lead on this.

00:43:37.336 --> 00:43:42.136
<v Riley Bowman>Uh, and then we're going to be kind of brief because I do hope we can get John

00:43:42.136 --> 00:43:47.496
<v Riley Bowman>on the podcast, hopefully in the near future, uh, to actually talk about this himself.

00:43:47.716 --> 00:43:51.136
<v Riley Bowman>So I don't want to take any of that wind, uh, out of his sail.

00:43:51.516 --> 00:43:56.516
<v Riley Bowman>Uh, but, uh, I did want to mention that just a little more than a month ago,

00:43:56.516 --> 00:43:59.096
<v Riley Bowman>uh, he had a home break in his home.

00:43:59.736 --> 00:44:03.276
<v Riley Bowman>Okay. And he lives in the Phoenix, Arizona area. Uh, I've been to his home.

00:44:03.356 --> 00:44:04.396
<v Riley Bowman>It's a beautiful home, nice home.

00:44:04.696 --> 00:44:07.696
<v Riley Bowman>Uh, and, and, and so kind of knowing the layout as he,

00:44:07.836 --> 00:44:11.116
<v Riley Bowman>as he's telling this story, he posted it publicly on facebook so it's out there

00:44:11.116 --> 00:44:14.576
<v Riley Bowman>if you want to you know find and read this for yourself but uh i was able to

00:44:14.576 --> 00:44:18.716
<v Riley Bowman>kind of picture what this you know how this played out in his home because i've

00:44:18.716 --> 00:44:22.996
<v Riley Bowman>been in there but i guess i've slept in his home uh very very kind of him to

00:44:22.996 --> 00:44:26.416
<v Riley Bowman>um offer up his home for me before but uh

00:44:27.275 --> 00:44:34.815
<v Riley Bowman>Anyway, they legit had a home intruder in his home, which is in a pretty nice neighborhood.

00:44:34.835 --> 00:44:38.715
<v Riley Bowman>I think it's gated, I think. I seem to recall it being gated.

00:44:39.695 --> 00:44:44.135
<v Riley Bowman>And so, I mean, this kind of thing can happen anywhere to anybody.

00:44:44.135 --> 00:44:49.795
<v Riley Bowman>And if it can happen to the master of online, you know,

00:44:50.375 --> 00:44:54.855
<v Riley Bowman>self-defense shooting breakdowns, active, you know, self-protection YouTube

00:44:54.855 --> 00:44:58.875
<v Riley Bowman>channel with millions and millions of subscribers, followers,

00:44:59.275 --> 00:45:03.635
<v Riley Bowman>and views, and, you know, actually probably billions of views over the years,

00:45:03.775 --> 00:45:09.055
<v Riley Bowman>it can happen to any of us, okay, in any neighborhood, just about anywhere, anytime.

00:45:09.055 --> 00:45:11.875
<v Riley Bowman>Uh but uh basically goes down

00:45:11.875 --> 00:45:15.195
<v Riley Bowman>that it sounds like the man somehow made his way into the

00:45:15.195 --> 00:45:18.835
<v Riley Bowman>home through uh john's office balcony which

00:45:18.835 --> 00:45:22.535
<v Riley Bowman>again i know where this is and how that how this could potentially happen i

00:45:22.535 --> 00:45:25.735
<v Riley Bowman>probably wouldn't have thought that was necessarily how somebody would gain

00:45:25.735 --> 00:45:31.515
<v Riley Bowman>access but that sounds like that's what happened here got in uh actually encountered

00:45:31.515 --> 00:45:37.015
<v Riley Bowman>john's uh son first who had a, I think actually it was a sword.

00:45:37.135 --> 00:45:41.015
<v Riley Bowman>He says a large knife, but in John's wife's post, she mentions a sword.

00:45:41.915 --> 00:45:46.635
<v Riley Bowman>Either way, it was a large edged weapon of some sort. John comes out,

00:45:46.775 --> 00:45:48.895
<v Riley Bowman>confronts him, gets a gun.

00:45:49.395 --> 00:45:52.835
<v Riley Bowman>And about that point, the guy, you know, he chases him out of the home.

00:45:52.955 --> 00:45:58.135
<v Riley Bowman>The guy leaves and they actually end up finding him because he attempted to

00:45:58.135 --> 00:46:01.635
<v Riley Bowman>break into another property not too far away.

00:46:02.235 --> 00:46:06.375
<v Riley Bowman>Cops came back and asked if John and his son would go and basically do identification

00:46:06.375 --> 00:46:10.235
<v Riley Bowman>on this guy and it was in fact him and I feel a lot more free talking about

00:46:10.235 --> 00:46:11.835
<v Riley Bowman>this now too because I know that

00:46:12.584 --> 00:46:16.204
<v Riley Bowman>And this actually happened really quickly, by the way, because this happened

00:46:16.204 --> 00:46:17.624
<v Riley Bowman>back in the beginning of April.

00:46:18.264 --> 00:46:23.764
<v Riley Bowman>And just this week, John, I think, attended the sentencing for this man and

00:46:23.764 --> 00:46:26.264
<v Riley Bowman>testified there in that sentencing.

00:46:26.524 --> 00:46:29.684
<v Riley Bowman>So they arrested him. They charged him.

00:46:31.104 --> 00:46:35.324
<v Riley Bowman>Guy pled guilty. And so it moved to the courts really fast.

00:46:35.344 --> 00:46:40.664
<v Riley Bowman>And he's now been sentenced. But anyway, I hope to get John on the podcast to

00:46:40.664 --> 00:46:42.004
<v Riley Bowman>just tell the story himself.

00:46:43.084 --> 00:46:46.104
<v Riley Bowman>It's his story to tell, and I think it'd be great if we could have him on.

00:46:46.164 --> 00:46:50.264
<v Riley Bowman>And so I intend to invite him, and maybe we'll send him this clip and be a little

00:46:50.264 --> 00:46:51.344
<v Riley Bowman>encouraging for him to come on.

00:46:51.744 --> 00:46:59.444
<v Riley Bowman>So anyway, that's pretty crazy to have that happen to not only one of the biggest

00:46:59.444 --> 00:47:05.684
<v Riley Bowman>YouTube celebrities as far as self-defense justified uses of force kind of stuff goes,

00:47:05.684 --> 00:47:07.704
<v Riley Bowman>but to a friend as well.

00:47:08.144 --> 00:47:08.244
<v Mitch Goerdt>Yeah.

00:47:09.624 --> 00:47:12.264
<v Riley Bowman>All right, Mitch, tell us about this story out of Miami Gardens,

00:47:12.404 --> 00:47:20.384
<v Riley Bowman>Florida, where a teen presumed robber, armed robber, gets himself shot as he

00:47:20.384 --> 00:47:21.584
<v Riley Bowman>tries to steal a man's watch.

00:47:22.244 --> 00:47:30.944
<v Mitch Goerdt>So this is your, I think there's a Facebook marketplace meetup type sale going on,

00:47:30.944 --> 00:47:34.484
<v Mitch Goerdt>and the victim arranged this

00:47:34.484 --> 00:47:37.604
<v Mitch Goerdt>to sell his watch to to this uh 17 year

00:47:37.604 --> 00:47:40.344
<v Mitch Goerdt>old kid man you know

00:47:40.344 --> 00:47:44.204
<v Mitch Goerdt>young young young person uh and when

00:47:44.204 --> 00:47:46.924
<v Mitch Goerdt>this 17 year old arrives he pulls out a gun

00:47:46.924 --> 00:47:49.684
<v Mitch Goerdt>he's not gonna he's not doesn't want to buy the watch he's

00:47:49.684 --> 00:47:56.984
<v Mitch Goerdt>gonna he's gonna steal it from him um and the victim pushed the teen and uh

00:47:56.984 --> 00:48:02.684
<v Mitch Goerdt>there's some conflicting stories but the gun discharges in that time and the

00:48:02.684 --> 00:48:09.464
<v Mitch Goerdt>teen has actually hit the the attacker the the robber the attempted robber and he is taken to the,

00:48:11.153 --> 00:48:16.473
<v Mitch Goerdt>Yeah, this, I'm not sure, there's two different, there's multiple sources on this.

00:48:16.633 --> 00:48:19.193
<v Mitch Goerdt>One saying that the victim fired the shot.

00:48:19.373 --> 00:48:25.793
<v Mitch Goerdt>Another one saying that it was during the fight and the teen shot himself in the hand in the fight.

00:48:26.053 --> 00:48:31.653
<v Mitch Goerdt>But yeah, that's the classic Facebook Marketplace ambush.

00:48:32.333 --> 00:48:37.073
<v Mitch Goerdt>I've never bought anything on Facebook Marketplace or Craigslist before.

00:48:37.073 --> 00:48:40.753
<v Mitch Goerdt>Or maybe just to avoid this situation.

00:48:43.073 --> 00:48:46.893
<v Riley Bowman>That's probably, I suppose, for the best. I, on the other hand,

00:48:47.073 --> 00:48:53.953
<v Riley Bowman>have purchased a number of times things from Marketplace or Craigslist, for that matter.

00:48:54.393 --> 00:49:00.393
<v Riley Bowman>But I kind of have my own set of rules for how I go about doing those kinds of transactions.

00:49:00.573 --> 00:49:02.413
<v Riley Bowman>And one of those is vetting people before.

00:49:02.693 --> 00:49:06.473
<v Riley Bowman>Like I just messaged one this week, actually, is something that I came across.

00:49:06.473 --> 00:49:08.753
<v Riley Bowman>I'm like, I've been kind of wanting one of those. That's a good price.

00:49:09.473 --> 00:49:12.733
<v Riley Bowman>And as I'm messaging back and forth to the person, I'm just like,

00:49:12.873 --> 00:49:15.413
<v Riley Bowman>it just feels a little bit icky.

00:49:15.913 --> 00:49:18.513
<v Riley Bowman>I don't know how to put, you know, what I don't know how to,

00:49:18.513 --> 00:49:21.933
<v Riley Bowman>how else to explain it, but just like, there's just something about the way

00:49:21.933 --> 00:49:26.593
<v Riley Bowman>they communicate, the way the language they're using, you know,

00:49:26.633 --> 00:49:28.373
<v Riley Bowman>where they want to possibly meet.

00:49:28.373 --> 00:49:32.413
<v Riley Bowman>Just there's just these like little like warning bells that go off and i'm just

00:49:32.413 --> 00:49:37.913
<v Riley Bowman>like it's a good deal but i'm gonna back out of this because i definitely try

00:49:37.913 --> 00:49:39.573
<v Riley Bowman>to manage my risk that way but

00:49:40.093 --> 00:49:43.553
<v Riley Bowman>here's the thing uh this is what i would say about this and then move on to

00:49:43.553 --> 00:49:48.853
<v Riley Bowman>the next story uh because these sorts of things do happen so uh make sure you're

00:49:48.853 --> 00:49:55.933
<v Riley Bowman>meeting in a public place preferably uh at or near a police station a lot of police stations um

00:49:56.813 --> 00:50:01.213
<v Riley Bowman>Have like actually designated uh meetup places

00:50:01.213 --> 00:50:04.093
<v Riley Bowman>designated right there like in the parking lot or whatever

00:50:04.093 --> 00:50:07.173
<v Riley Bowman>the police station um i know that mine does right

00:50:07.173 --> 00:50:10.733
<v Riley Bowman>you know the police station right next to me um has

00:50:10.733 --> 00:50:13.973
<v Riley Bowman>signage up you know uh online sales

00:50:13.973 --> 00:50:16.713
<v Riley Bowman>meetup location or something like that i can't remember what

00:50:16.713 --> 00:50:19.473
<v Riley Bowman>they call it but um that that

00:50:19.473 --> 00:50:22.493
<v Riley Bowman>sort of thing is good and wise to do only do it during daytime

00:50:22.493 --> 00:50:25.153
<v Riley Bowman>hours um although you know

00:50:25.153 --> 00:50:28.073
<v Riley Bowman>even this this incident happened i think during the daytime or

00:50:28.073 --> 00:50:31.313
<v Riley Bowman>relative daytime it was still still daylight 6 20 p.m

00:50:31.313 --> 00:50:34.173
<v Riley Bowman>okay and this is just like a week ago so that's that's almost

00:50:34.173 --> 00:50:37.193
<v Riley Bowman>certainly during daylight but uh anyway so

00:50:37.193 --> 00:50:40.113
<v Riley Bowman>just there's just some things that you should you should do if you're going to do this

00:50:40.113 --> 00:50:43.153
<v Riley Bowman>um you know mitch's approach is the safest one by far don't

00:50:43.153 --> 00:50:45.973
<v Riley Bowman>do online you know meetups but uh if

00:50:45.973 --> 00:50:48.813
<v Riley Bowman>you're going to find a good place to do

00:50:48.813 --> 00:50:51.433
<v Riley Bowman>it well lit or preferably just do it

00:50:51.433 --> 00:50:54.473
<v Riley Bowman>during the day or it's very public and bring

00:50:54.473 --> 00:50:57.373
<v Riley Bowman>back but bring bring back up okay that's a good plan too

00:50:57.373 --> 00:51:01.293
<v Riley Bowman>yeah that's a good idea and then i also i'll give you some other things when

00:51:01.293 --> 00:51:04.873
<v Riley Bowman>i if we're meeting in a you know sometimes i'm buying from somebody and they

00:51:04.873 --> 00:51:09.333
<v Riley Bowman>they just they determine the place uh if they're like if it's a sketchy place

00:51:09.333 --> 00:51:12.453
<v Riley Bowman>i'm like do you mind if we meet over this other one you know this other place

00:51:12.453 --> 00:51:15.993
<v Riley Bowman>or you know i find something that's more suitable to me um but then

00:51:16.978 --> 00:51:20.058
<v Riley Bowman>Sometimes there's this, hey, we're meeting up, and they'll be like,

00:51:20.178 --> 00:51:24.198
<v Riley Bowman>I'm driving a white Hyundai whatever kind of thing.

00:51:24.258 --> 00:51:31.398
<v Riley Bowman>And I will not tell them what I am driving until I have identified them.

00:51:31.998 --> 00:51:36.998
<v Riley Bowman>So I always arrive at these meetups early, and I am watching for them.

00:51:37.758 --> 00:51:42.258
<v Riley Bowman>Even if they haven't told me their exact description yet, I'm watching every

00:51:42.258 --> 00:51:44.778
<v Riley Bowman>vehicle that arrives. And I'm like, is that them?

00:51:44.878 --> 00:51:48.278
<v Riley Bowman>Is that them? that looks like somebody that's looking because you can just tell

00:51:48.278 --> 00:51:52.038
<v Riley Bowman>like that person arrived in the parking lot they look a little hesitant they're

00:51:52.038 --> 00:51:56.158
<v Riley Bowman>looking all around like they're looking for somebody i'm like that's my guy

00:51:56.158 --> 00:51:59.898
<v Riley Bowman>he's looking for me i get eyes on them before they get eyes on me

00:52:00.578 --> 00:52:04.638
<v Riley Bowman>and then and then i and i have bugged out of deals before where i'm like i don't

00:52:04.638 --> 00:52:07.418
<v Riley Bowman>like the look of that i don't like to look at this guy i like to look at his

00:52:07.418 --> 00:52:11.478
<v Riley Bowman>car it doesn't matter you know there's Something about it is off and then I'm out.

00:52:12.138 --> 00:52:18.858
<v Riley Bowman>So anyway, so there's just, there's things that, that are good and wise to do.

00:52:19.238 --> 00:52:21.338
<v Riley Bowman>So there's some, some of my little tips.

00:52:22.874 --> 00:52:27.334
<v Riley Bowman>Um, looks like we're having, okay, lost a connection there for a brief second,

00:52:27.414 --> 00:52:28.434
<v Riley Bowman>but we're back, it appears.

00:52:28.934 --> 00:52:31.574
<v Riley Bowman>Mitch, just because of time, I'm going to go ahead and folks,

00:52:31.734 --> 00:52:35.534
<v Riley Bowman>we'll try to include all the show or in the show notes, all the links,

00:52:35.654 --> 00:52:39.534
<v Riley Bowman>the stories, but we're going to skip two stories here. And they're good ones, by the way.

00:52:39.654 --> 00:52:42.774
<v Riley Bowman>There's one that happens at a nail salon.

00:52:42.934 --> 00:52:47.694
<v Riley Bowman>And what's noteworthy about this is it happened after weeks of threats from

00:52:47.694 --> 00:52:50.774
<v Riley Bowman>this individual. So there's some lessons we learned from that one for sure.

00:52:51.054 --> 00:52:53.994
<v Riley Bowman>Okay, that happened in San Antonio, Texas.

00:52:54.514 --> 00:52:57.614
<v Riley Bowman>So again, you can see this in the show notes of the published podcast episode.

00:52:57.874 --> 00:53:00.834
<v Riley Bowman>Once this goes out, you can go read that one for yourself.

00:53:01.094 --> 00:53:04.954
<v Riley Bowman>And then you can also see one about a carjacker.

00:53:05.034 --> 00:53:08.134
<v Riley Bowman>And I really wanted to cover this one, but we got to save some time for our last story.

00:53:08.134 --> 00:53:11.274
<v Riley Bowman>This one also happened and it happened in garland texas

00:53:11.274 --> 00:53:14.194
<v Riley Bowman>and this one's crazy because we've talked about this jacob

00:53:14.194 --> 00:53:17.094
<v Riley Bowman>and i know we have recently even talking about how a lot

00:53:17.094 --> 00:53:20.954
<v Riley Bowman>of times carjacking start with a crash okay so

00:53:20.954 --> 00:53:23.814
<v Riley Bowman>dude crashes into two vehicles abandons his

00:53:23.814 --> 00:53:26.934
<v Riley Bowman>car now he's trying to find his next getaway vehicle

00:53:26.934 --> 00:53:29.834
<v Riley Bowman>basically right that's the kind of thing you want to be watching

00:53:29.834 --> 00:53:32.594
<v Riley Bowman>for that's why you don't want to get in an accident with somebody and then like

00:53:32.594 --> 00:53:35.414
<v Riley Bowman>immediately start trying to exchange information no it's like figure

00:53:35.414 --> 00:53:38.374
<v Riley Bowman>out what's going on first and make sure you're safe first but anyway you

00:53:38.374 --> 00:53:41.534
<v Riley Bowman>can go read that story as well uh in the the

00:53:41.534 --> 00:53:45.834
<v Riley Bowman>the link is it's that's that's on fox4news.com and so you can find that one

00:53:45.834 --> 00:53:51.314
<v Riley Bowman>father shoots carjacker trying to drive away with family of eight inside pretty

00:53:51.314 --> 00:53:55.394
<v Riley Bowman>wild there's a video with that one too yeah but let's get to this this last

00:53:55.394 --> 00:54:00.454
<v Riley Bowman>story here okay um armed marine vet with concealed carry permit

00:54:01.404 --> 00:54:08.244
<v Riley Bowman>Joins a state trooper to stop active shooter on what's called Memorial Drive.

00:54:08.304 --> 00:54:11.464
<v Riley Bowman>That's a street in Cambridge, Massachusetts, Boston area.

00:54:12.324 --> 00:54:18.144
<v Riley Bowman>This happened just three days ago, about 1.30 p.m., so it's middle of the day.

00:54:18.284 --> 00:54:22.224
<v Riley Bowman>It's like middle of the work day even. This is a weekday, middle of the day.

00:54:22.924 --> 00:54:31.144
<v Riley Bowman>Dude, a suspect, 46-year-old suspect, convicted felon, has a rap sheet going back 20-plus years.

00:54:31.404 --> 00:54:37.504
<v Riley Bowman>Uh, most recently, at least violent crime wise, like he was convicted of getting

00:54:37.504 --> 00:54:39.384
<v Riley Bowman>in a shootout with cops back in 2020.

00:54:40.104 --> 00:54:45.164
<v Riley Bowman>Okay. This is a bad dude. Okay. He's, and, and I know I can already hear you

00:54:45.164 --> 00:54:49.464
<v Riley Bowman>guys click clacking on the keyboard out there being like, how come he's not

00:54:49.464 --> 00:54:52.284
<v Riley Bowman>still in jail? He was just in a shootout like six years ago.

00:54:52.664 --> 00:54:55.604
<v Riley Bowman>I don't know, but that is definitely a failure, I think.

00:54:55.604 --> 00:54:58.504
<v Riley Bowman>But anyway dude just starts walking

00:54:58.504 --> 00:55:01.984
<v Riley Bowman>down memorial drive in boston and just

00:55:01.984 --> 00:55:04.804
<v Riley Bowman>starts randomly shooting everywhere he's shooting in the sky

00:55:04.804 --> 00:55:07.944
<v Riley Bowman>he's shooting the ground he's shooting cars he shoots a mail truck

00:55:07.944 --> 00:55:13.844
<v Riley Bowman>he shoots he even like goes up to people's vehicles and he start he's like bashing

00:55:13.844 --> 00:55:17.384
<v Riley Bowman>his the barrel of his gun into the wind into their windows trying to like knock

00:55:17.384 --> 00:55:22.584
<v Riley Bowman>their windows out i mean he's unhinged as far as i can tell uh and frankly i

00:55:22.584 --> 00:55:25.584
<v Riley Bowman>think it was he just he doesn't know how to i I think

00:55:26.583 --> 00:55:30.683
<v Riley Bowman>Live a normal life outside of incarceration i think that's where he's at and

00:55:30.683 --> 00:55:32.303
<v Riley Bowman>he's probably got mental illness too but yeah

00:55:32.303 --> 00:55:34.043
<v Mitch Goerdt>For sure mental breakdown in this one like.

00:55:34.043 --> 00:55:35.583
<v Riley Bowman>Yeah i mean it

00:55:35.583 --> 00:55:36.223
<v Mitch Goerdt>Had to be crazy.

00:55:36.223 --> 00:55:41.743
<v Riley Bowman>It's i'm i want to go back to jail and or die by you know suicide by cop it's

00:55:41.743 --> 00:55:46.723
<v Riley Bowman>it's it's one of those things so he's going around he's got a uh an ar-15 of

00:55:46.723 --> 00:55:50.703
<v Riley Bowman>some kind which by the way are basically outlawed they have an assault assault

00:55:50.703 --> 00:55:53.083
<v Riley Bowman>weapons ban in massachusetts so managed

00:55:53.083 --> 00:55:54.003
<v Mitch Goerdt>To get one though you.

00:55:54.003 --> 00:55:56.823
<v Riley Bowman>Know you know yeah this is a guy that again was just

00:55:56.823 --> 00:55:59.543
<v Riley Bowman>in jail not that long ago so you know i don't know

00:55:59.543 --> 00:56:03.083
<v Riley Bowman>i don't know how this happened the gun control and all but uh

00:56:03.083 --> 00:56:06.143
<v Riley Bowman>he's just shooting all over the place two motorists are struck

00:56:06.143 --> 00:56:09.223
<v Riley Bowman>uh and uh suffered life-threatening injuries

00:56:09.223 --> 00:56:12.123
<v Riley Bowman>last i heard they're still in the hospital i do hope they pull through

00:56:12.123 --> 00:56:15.003
<v Riley Bowman>our prayers out to them um but

00:56:15.003 --> 00:56:18.903
<v Riley Bowman>get this the guy isn't stopped until he encounters

00:56:18.903 --> 00:56:22.063
<v Riley Bowman>return gunfire from yes a

00:56:22.063 --> 00:56:25.823
<v Riley Bowman>state trooper but also a retired

00:56:25.823 --> 00:56:28.643
<v Riley Bowman>u.s marine who's a license to

00:56:28.643 --> 00:56:34.723
<v Riley Bowman>carry uh or concealed carry permit holder uh draws his gun and and shoots so

00:56:34.723 --> 00:56:38.703
<v Riley Bowman>trooper and marine together basically as far as we this is the only reporting

00:56:38.703 --> 00:56:43.763
<v Riley Bowman>we have together engage this guy in gunfire uh hit him a couple of times and

00:56:43.763 --> 00:56:48.323
<v Riley Bowman>he eventually lays down uh gives up his gun and then he's taken into custody

00:56:49.890 --> 00:56:56.330
<v Riley Bowman>That's the story. Pretty wild stuff. For sure.

00:56:57.290 --> 00:57:03.770
<v Riley Bowman>Yeah. And the secondary headline to all this is the fact that if you go and

00:57:03.770 --> 00:57:05.190
<v Riley Bowman>check, especially the mainstream media,

00:57:05.410 --> 00:57:12.950
<v Riley Bowman>you will basically find that this armed citizen who helped stop this mass shooting, essentially,

00:57:13.230 --> 00:57:16.730
<v Riley Bowman>has been written out of the media's narrative. Yeah.

00:57:17.870 --> 00:57:23.850
<v Riley Bowman>Like, egregiously. it's, it's, it's, it's, it's completely untenable.

00:57:24.010 --> 00:57:27.610
<v Riley Bowman>Like I can't, I couldn't believe it. I I'm like looking up news stories about this, Mitch.

00:57:27.690 --> 00:57:32.170
<v Riley Bowman>And I'm like, I know there was a Marine involved and I read multiple times.

00:57:32.330 --> 00:57:34.050
<v Riley Bowman>We didn't even mention the guy.

00:57:34.250 --> 00:57:37.710
<v Riley Bowman>Right. And I saw video news reports from main,

00:57:37.910 --> 00:57:43.230
<v Riley Bowman>you know, Boston news channels that went on for six minutes, six and a half minutes,

00:57:43.410 --> 00:57:48.030
<v Riley Bowman>one of them talking about this one incident on their news broadcast and don't

00:57:48.030 --> 00:57:54.290
<v Riley Bowman>mention this armed citizen Marine as being a part of it. And I'm like, what in the heck?

00:57:54.850 --> 00:58:01.990
<v Mitch Goerdt>Right. And they don't report his name, so perhaps he wants to remain anonymous.

00:58:02.210 --> 00:58:10.490
<v Mitch Goerdt>And that's fine within his rate. But he played a big part in stopping a mass shooting.

00:58:10.490 --> 00:58:16.330
<v Mitch Goerdt>And, and they make it see it's outside the narrative, you know,

00:58:16.490 --> 00:58:20.350
<v Mitch Goerdt>it's, it's outside the narrative that, that armed citizens aren't,

00:58:20.430 --> 00:58:22.750
<v Mitch Goerdt>aren't stopping anything that, um,

00:58:23.170 --> 00:58:25.690
<v Mitch Goerdt>and they, they don't talk about it.

00:58:25.970 --> 00:58:32.430
<v Mitch Goerdt>It's, it's crazy. but I think that's like I know I've put out a couple stories

00:58:32.430 --> 00:58:37.950
<v Mitch Goerdt>on it on our social media and everything but it's kind of what we have to do here because,

00:58:38.590 --> 00:58:41.230
<v Mitch Goerdt>we are in a time where like,

00:58:42.761 --> 00:58:49.901
<v Mitch Goerdt>In law, all these bills in Virginia and Minnesota and Colorado and Denver,

00:58:50.021 --> 00:58:54.681
<v Mitch Goerdt>they are actively trying to take our rights away.

00:58:54.681 --> 00:58:59.081
<v Mitch Goerdt>But in the media side of things, they're implicit with them.

00:58:59.221 --> 00:59:04.841
<v Mitch Goerdt>They are trying to write us out of history to get rid of the evidence that armed

00:59:04.841 --> 00:59:07.681
<v Mitch Goerdt>citizens are a very, very good thing.

00:59:09.461 --> 00:59:15.421
<v Mitch Goerdt>It makes for a better society to have us out there armed and ready to defend ourselves.

00:59:15.801 --> 00:59:21.521
<v Mitch Goerdt>And you see, like you said, in Massachusetts, like in Boston,

00:59:21.541 --> 00:59:26.061
<v Mitch Goerdt>there's a ban on the gun that he's using to shoot up the whole neighborhood.

00:59:26.061 --> 00:59:31.001
<v Mitch Goerdt>So you have a bunch of law-abiding citizens who don't want to be arrested,

00:59:31.001 --> 00:59:36.521
<v Mitch Goerdt>are following the laws, and are completely underarmed against somebody who doesn't

00:59:36.521 --> 00:59:40.321
<v Mitch Goerdt>care that the law says that he can't have that because he's there to kill everybody anyways.

00:59:40.681 --> 00:59:51.261
<v Mitch Goerdt>So it's sad that they aren't really giving this citizen his due for what he did in that situation.

00:59:51.901 --> 00:59:55.101
<v Riley Bowman>Yeah. It's unacceptable is what it is.

00:59:56.421 --> 01:00:00.841
<v Riley Bowman>And this is, you're exactly right. It doesn't fit the narrative.

01:00:00.981 --> 01:00:04.841
<v Riley Bowman>It doesn't fit the narrative of the political left. It doesn't fit the narrative

01:00:04.841 --> 01:00:10.461
<v Riley Bowman>of the media, mainstream media, which, of course, many would just tie to the political left.

01:00:10.781 --> 01:00:14.841
<v Riley Bowman>And I'm not trying to make this a political thing necessarily because we try

01:00:14.841 --> 01:00:21.421
<v Riley Bowman>to stay pretty politically agnostic on the podcast and stay focused on the issues,

01:00:21.421 --> 01:00:24.861
<v Riley Bowman>which is the Second Amendment, of course, and personal and self-defense.

01:00:26.101 --> 01:00:30.921
<v Riley Bowman>But this is definitely something that we see that, hey, there is a trend that,

01:00:30.921 --> 01:00:34.861
<v Riley Bowman>you know, this doesn't suit our narrative. So let's steer away from that.

01:00:35.041 --> 01:00:38.861
<v Riley Bowman>The narrative here is that you must be highly trained, which, by the way,

01:00:40.411 --> 01:00:43.471
<v Riley Bowman>I'm sorry to say it, but generally speaking,

01:00:44.191 --> 01:00:49.411
<v Riley Bowman>especially those that are just basically beat cops, your regular street working

01:00:49.411 --> 01:00:56.451
<v Riley Bowman>cops are not, they're trained, but they're not like super duper trained. No offense.

01:00:57.011 --> 01:01:01.671
<v Riley Bowman>Okay. And they're great guys. I've trained plenty of cops myself.

01:01:01.671 --> 01:01:06.411
<v Riley Bowman>And I was technically a cop at one time. That's why I'm speaking from experience.

01:01:06.791 --> 01:01:09.951
<v Riley Bowman>Because at the time I thought, I'm like, I'm well trained. and

01:01:09.951 --> 01:01:12.751
<v Riley Bowman>then i found out no really i wasn't all that

01:01:12.751 --> 01:01:16.971
<v Riley Bowman>trained but uh you

01:01:16.971 --> 01:01:19.891
<v Riley Bowman>know and by the way the cop in this story and there's multiple

01:01:19.891 --> 01:01:24.291
<v Riley Bowman>there's others that arrive on scene and they're all they're also part of uh

01:01:24.291 --> 01:01:28.291
<v Riley Bowman>getting compliance from this guy and getting him subdued and taken into custody

01:01:28.291 --> 01:01:33.871
<v Riley Bowman>so but the initial state trooper that uh returns fire in fact his cruiser it

01:01:33.871 --> 01:01:38.511
<v Riley Bowman>says in the report was also hit by at least one round. I mean, he's a hero.

01:01:38.731 --> 01:01:42.011
<v Riley Bowman>He did his job that day. He responded as he should have.

01:01:42.151 --> 01:01:45.111
<v Riley Bowman>He helped bring an end to this mass shooting,

01:01:45.111 --> 01:01:51.711
<v Riley Bowman>but it is unacceptable that the media narrative being told is that you must

01:01:51.711 --> 01:01:59.191
<v Riley Bowman>be a police officer and or a highly trained individual to be allowed, if you will,

01:01:59.511 --> 01:02:03.571
<v Riley Bowman>to fit in this category of may carry a gun and stop mass shooters.

01:02:04.651 --> 01:02:08.871
<v Riley Bowman>Because where I did see some reporting on the Marine helping with this,

01:02:09.051 --> 01:02:11.971
<v Riley Bowman>then every time it's like, well, he's a Marine, he's a Marine,

01:02:12.091 --> 01:02:15.731
<v Riley Bowman>he's a Marine, which by the way, he also deserves recognition for having,

01:02:15.731 --> 01:02:18.971
<v Riley Bowman>you know, faithfully served our nation as a Marine.

01:02:19.191 --> 01:02:25.811
<v Riley Bowman>And yes, he did receive some training. However, unless you're like top tier in the U.S.

01:02:25.991 --> 01:02:30.291
<v Riley Bowman>Marine Corps or any of those branches of the military, you also received a very strong.

01:02:30.824 --> 01:02:37.184
<v Riley Bowman>Marginally acceptable level of proficiency type training on a handgun. Okay.

01:02:37.744 --> 01:02:42.944
<v Riley Bowman>So the level of training and experience is actually irrelevant in this story.

01:02:43.084 --> 01:02:47.724
<v Riley Bowman>It's the fact that is an armed citizen because that's the role he was playing.

01:02:48.504 --> 01:02:54.844
<v Riley Bowman>Ununiformed, he's not a part of the authorities here that's responding.

01:02:55.024 --> 01:03:00.724
<v Riley Bowman>He's just a good man with a gun on this day, choosing to step in and engage

01:03:00.724 --> 01:03:05.184
<v Riley Bowman>and put a stop to this heroically, I might add.

01:03:05.524 --> 01:03:08.904
<v Riley Bowman>There was one great video interview I found with a woman who,

01:03:09.124 --> 01:03:11.444
<v Riley Bowman>this was the best reporting I found on the guy.

01:03:11.704 --> 01:03:16.464
<v Riley Bowman>She talks about how this Marine saved her life, how he suddenly appears at her

01:03:16.464 --> 01:03:20.324
<v Riley Bowman>door, opens her door, tells her to get out, and tells her to run away.

01:03:21.300 --> 01:03:26.500
<v Riley Bowman>And she notices that he is armed with a gun and that he's there taking action,

01:03:26.660 --> 01:03:31.960
<v Riley Bowman>taking charge and telling her, do this, get out of here to save her life.

01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:35.120
<v Riley Bowman>And she complies and she makes an interesting observation.

01:03:35.120 --> 01:03:38.500
<v Riley Bowman>She says this, and I picked up on it and thought it was really interesting,

01:03:38.640 --> 01:03:45.020
<v Riley Bowman>Mitch, where she says, he was ununiformed and I could see that he had a gun,

01:03:45.040 --> 01:03:47.460
<v Riley Bowman>but I wasn't worried. I could tell he was a good guy.

01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:51.240
<v Riley Bowman>And I was like, interesting. very very

01:03:51.240 --> 01:03:54.060
<v Riley Bowman>very interesting yeah and so the other

01:03:54.060 --> 01:03:56.820
<v Riley Bowman>you know media narrative that they like to tell you a

01:03:56.820 --> 01:03:59.440
<v Riley Bowman>lot of times as well armed citizens are just going to get

01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:02.780
<v Riley Bowman>in the way or they're just going to get shot by responding cops or

01:04:02.780 --> 01:04:06.800
<v Riley Bowman>they're going to accidentally shoot good guy other good guys and that almost

01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:12.580
<v Riley Bowman>never happens and in this case it didn't happen at all and this guy is a hero

01:04:12.580 --> 01:04:17.720
<v Riley Bowman>but meanwhile the media is like man never mind we'll we'll file that under the

01:04:17.720 --> 01:04:22.640
<v Riley Bowman>stack of papers over here and we'll just simply focus on the fact that this cop is a hero right

01:04:22.640 --> 01:04:25.660
<v Mitch Goerdt>And and i think that's great

01:04:25.660 --> 01:04:28.600
<v Mitch Goerdt>uh her being there for that news story

01:04:28.600 --> 01:04:33.960
<v Mitch Goerdt>to tell that she she just knew she just knew that guy was there to help and

01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:38.400
<v Mitch Goerdt>and it reminded when you told me that because i hadn't seen that interview but

01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:43.600
<v Mitch Goerdt>it reminds me i'm a big fred rogers fan fan i grew up with mr rogers neighborhood

01:04:43.600 --> 01:04:48.560
<v Mitch Goerdt>But he said when he was a boy and he would see scary news on TV,

01:04:48.560 --> 01:04:52.920
<v Mitch Goerdt>his mother would tell him that he didn't have to be afraid,

01:04:53.080 --> 01:04:56.940
<v Mitch Goerdt>that he just had to look for the helpers because the helpers are always there. Yes.

01:04:57.300 --> 01:05:03.000
<v Mitch Goerdt>And we have – that's the case. I know people say that all the time.

01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:07.260
<v Mitch Goerdt>I see it in our social media comments about how if you engage in something,

01:05:07.260 --> 01:05:12.780
<v Mitch Goerdt>you're just going to end up getting shot. You're just going to be viewed as another bad guy. and.

01:05:15.022 --> 01:05:18.342
<v Mitch Goerdt>It's not giving human beings our

01:05:18.342 --> 01:05:24.322
<v Mitch Goerdt>credit in our ability to recognize who is good and who is bad around us.

01:05:24.662 --> 01:05:29.542
<v Mitch Goerdt>There are people who wear a really good mask, but we're very,

01:05:29.642 --> 01:05:32.762
<v Mitch Goerdt>very good at reading other people at the same time on average.

01:05:33.022 --> 01:05:38.862
<v Mitch Goerdt>And like she said, she knew instantly that that guy was there to help her and not to hurt anybody.

01:05:39.062 --> 01:05:46.062
<v Mitch Goerdt>So I think that this is a really good story and and having her validate that idea and people should,

01:05:46.202 --> 01:05:50.462
<v Mitch Goerdt>should know that give yourself credit that you're going to, that you and the

01:05:50.462 --> 01:05:53.862
<v Mitch Goerdt>people around you, your community are going to be able to recognize who's there

01:05:53.862 --> 01:05:56.882
<v Mitch Goerdt>for, for bad and who's there for good deeds.

01:05:57.102 --> 01:06:01.222
<v Riley Bowman>So thank you for bringing Mr. Rogers into the discussion.

01:06:01.642 --> 01:06:09.142
<v Riley Bowman>I'm also a big fan. And I remember him sharing that same story from his mother.

01:06:09.342 --> 01:06:13.282
<v Riley Bowman>Yeah. Look, look for the helpers. That's awesome.

01:06:14.042 --> 01:06:22.782
<v Riley Bowman>Well, folks, I propose that we, I don't know what exactly we do,

01:06:22.822 --> 01:06:33.762
<v Riley Bowman>but we can't continue to let politicians and big media companies dictate what

01:06:33.762 --> 01:06:35.702
<v Riley Bowman>is acceptable or not for us,

01:06:35.922 --> 01:06:39.442
<v Riley Bowman>especially when it comes to our Second Amendment, our rights,

01:06:39.442 --> 01:06:49.382
<v Riley Bowman>and our ability to possess and carry and use the tools necessary to not allow

01:06:49.382 --> 01:06:51.442
<v Riley Bowman>ourselves to be victims of violent crime.

01:06:53.015 --> 01:06:58.555
<v Riley Bowman>So take that for whatever it is and take that appropriate action where you see

01:06:58.555 --> 01:07:05.975
<v Riley Bowman>fit to do whatever we can to fight back against this damaging narrative.

01:07:07.075 --> 01:07:10.655
<v Mitch Goerdt>We're capable. We are all capable of doing these things.

01:07:10.795 --> 01:07:18.735
<v Mitch Goerdt>Like every one of these stories, minus the retired Marine, we look at him as

01:07:18.735 --> 01:07:20.995
<v Mitch Goerdt>being a little bit more trained than the average.

01:07:20.995 --> 01:07:24.535
<v Mitch Goerdt>But everybody else in this in these stories are just average people

01:07:24.535 --> 01:07:27.515
<v Mitch Goerdt>and that's more often than not who

01:07:27.515 --> 01:07:30.975
<v Mitch Goerdt>is defending themselves they're just regular people and and

01:07:30.975 --> 01:07:36.215
<v Mitch Goerdt>they they they're winning in in that fight and we're all capable of that and

01:07:36.215 --> 01:07:40.815
<v Mitch Goerdt>we should all push to towards more excellence and more more ability and anything

01:07:40.815 --> 01:07:43.915
<v Mitch Goerdt>that we want to you know you want to if you want to be the good guy you should

01:07:43.915 --> 01:07:47.915
<v Mitch Goerdt>be working every day to be become better than you were the day before so train

01:07:47.915 --> 01:07:50.435
<v Mitch Goerdt>train trained, but have, you know,

01:07:50.975 --> 01:07:55.015
<v Mitch Goerdt>have faith and understanding that, that we are, we are capable of,

01:07:55.055 --> 01:08:00.875
<v Mitch Goerdt>of protecting ourselves, of, of having, we, we, we deserve the right to.

01:08:01.035 --> 01:08:05.235
<v Riley Bowman>Of self-defense. It looks like I, I've lost connection with Mitch there a little

01:08:05.235 --> 01:08:10.055
<v Riley Bowman>bit, but sorry, I lost you there for a moment, but I loved what you were putting

01:08:10.055 --> 01:08:11.895
<v Riley Bowman>down, my man, train, train, train.

01:08:12.595 --> 01:08:15.715
<v Riley Bowman>And then you were gone and I'm like, yes, amen, brother, all that.

01:08:16.355 --> 01:08:21.455
<v Mitch Goerdt>Yeah. Same. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't say much more. I was just kind of droning on there for a second.

01:08:22.507 --> 01:08:28.607
<v Riley Bowman>Well, I appreciate your take and your input on all of these great stories here

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<v Riley Bowman>so mitch thank you again appreciate you being here thank you it was a pleasure

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<v Riley Bowman>let's do it again yeah all right well folks until next time or a reminder to

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<v Riley Bowman>train right train often and train safe so you can fight hard fight fast and fight true take care

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<v Riley Bowman>A reminder that laws vary from place to place, and we encourage listeners to

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<v Riley Bowman>seek local legal advice to understand applicable laws.

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<v Riley Bowman>We make our best faith effort to share Concealed Carry-related insights and

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<v Riley Bowman>Please exercise care with all things pertaining to firearm use,

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<v Riley Bowman>concealed carry, and always practice following basic firearm safety rules.

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<v Riley Bowman>More information about safety can be found at concealedcarry.com forward slash safety. Thank you.

