Riley Bowman: And welcome to the Concealed Carry
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Riley Bowman: Today is Friday, May 15th, 2026, as of the live recording of this episode.
Riley Bowman: And I am your host, Riley Bowman.
Riley Bowman: And I'm joined today by our fellow compadre here at ConcealedCarry.com,
Riley Bowman: Mitch Gert. Hello, Mitch.
Mitch Goerdt: Hi. How's it going?
Riley Bowman: It's going. You've been on before, but it's been a while. and uh yeah this
Mitch Goerdt: Is my second time on so hopefully it goes well.
Riley Bowman: Yeah that's right yeah i i think it's gonna
Riley Bowman: go great yeah uh for those wondering jacob's a little bit under the weather
Riley Bowman: this week and uh kind of kept putting off the podcast a day another day another
Riley Bowman: day kind of like you know all right is he gonna feel better or feel up to it
Riley Bowman: uh and and yesterday the decision was made mitch you're up man step into the batter's box gotta
Mitch Goerdt: Do what i gotta.
Riley Bowman: Do so glad to have you uh you know people may not always realize that you're
Riley Bowman: you're the kind of the main guy behind our social media and youtube and all
Riley Bowman: that uh here at concealedcarry.com they may see you occasionally in some uh
Riley Bowman: you've done a few little like
Mitch Goerdt: Shorts or i'm like i'm like a bad guy a lot of times in videos and every once
Mitch Goerdt: in a while i'll do a short here and there but i i mostly just kind of stay behind the scenes here.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Well, some of your, you've done a couple of shorts or reels over the last year or two that,
Riley Bowman: you know, where you're kind of maybe getting into more of an analysis or of
Riley Bowman: a situation or maybe even like a proposed law or something and you always do a great job.
Riley Bowman: So if folks don't know you, I think we'll have an opportunity today to get to
Riley Bowman: know you a little bit better and see your take on things.
Riley Bowman: And I think they'll appreciate you, so.
Riley Bowman: But hey guys, today's a Justified Saves episode.
Riley Bowman: That means this is our episode we try to do once a month, and we're trying to
Riley Bowman: get back in the swing of doing that regularly, because there were a couple months we missed.
Riley Bowman: So we're here back with Justified Saves, which is what we call defensive gun
Riley Bowman: uses, meaning that there are justified uses of self-defense,
Riley Bowman: typically involving a gun.
Riley Bowman: And it's the time. We've got a bunch of stories lined up for you here today.
Riley Bowman: Looking forward to breaking these down with you.
Riley Bowman: You're going to enjoy this. I do want to highlight ahead of time,
Riley Bowman: kind of tease a little bit that we've got one story.
Riley Bowman: Some of you probably already saw this on social media, maybe on YouTube or in
Riley Bowman: the news or something, of basically a mass, at least an attempted mass shooter.
Riley Bowman: He did, I think, only shoot two people, thank goodness, in Boston.
Riley Bowman: And this is the story that inspired today's title because,
Riley Bowman: and this is where you're going to want to stick around and catch this at the
Riley Bowman: end, because we're going to tell you how the media has written out of the history
Riley Bowman: books, the armed citizen that played into stopping that violent attacker.
Riley Bowman: So stick around. That's a good one. It's a great story.
Riley Bowman: Very heroic. and it comes with a really important, we'll call it a,
Riley Bowman: I don't know if it's a call to action necessarily, but maybe it should be. Yeah.
Riley Bowman: Guys, you need to know that people are actively working against our rights and
Riley Bowman: specifically our right to carry and use whatever weapon we decide in self-defense
Riley Bowman: should we need to, right? So stick around for that story.
Riley Bowman: That's a good one out of Boston. But first, today's episode is sponsored.
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Riley Bowman: this is a little something different normally we have some stories that are
Riley Bowman: what not to do stories but we didn't have any like clear-cut what
Riley Bowman: not to do this this time around i'm sure i could have found some but as we just
Riley Bowman: go through things organically there's def there's usually those that i'm like
Riley Bowman: oh that's a you know big time tactical error or a big time legal problem potentially
Riley Bowman: uh and and we don't have any clear-cut cases of that here but we do have two
Riley Bowman: stories that were kind of like
Riley Bowman: Like, what's going on here?
Riley Bowman: So I've been talking for a minute here. I'm going to turn it to you.
Riley Bowman: You're going to get trial by fire here, bud.
Riley Bowman: Tell us about this first story out of Northwest Harris County, Texas.
Riley Bowman: The title is Masked Intruder Breaks In, Flees, Returns, Then Gets Shot.
Riley Bowman: Tell us what went down there in Texas.
Mitch Goerdt: So this happened back on May 6th, and it was just before 6 a.m.
Mitch Goerdt: A masked-gloved intruder broke through the back door of a home occupied by three
Mitch Goerdt: adults and two children, ages 12 and 13.
Mitch Goerdt: The homer confronted the suspect, and a physical altercation ensued without a firearm.
Mitch Goerdt: The suspect fled the scene, and then, I don't know, I guess he decided to come
Mitch Goerdt: back because he came back. The homeowner went and got his handgun and shot him.
Mitch Goerdt: The suspect ran away again, jumped a fence, and ended up – that's as far as he got.
Mitch Goerdt: He was found on a trail outside the fence. I know that.
Mitch Goerdt: So weird story.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, police found him there a short distance from the home, it says.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, this is – so this is our first story today because, yeah,
Riley Bowman: it was like you just pointed out
Riley Bowman: Guy broke into the house, altercation happened there inside the house.
Riley Bowman: Basically, the homeowner, it sounds like they fought this intruder until they
Riley Bowman: got him outside the home.
Riley Bowman: And then eventually, at some point there, it breaks away, or the intruder breaks away.
Riley Bowman: And so it's like, all right, cool, great. Mission accomplished as far as homeowner, Mr.
Riley Bowman: Homeowner, you successfully defended yourself in your home, your family,
Riley Bowman: got this guy out of the house.
Riley Bowman: Hopefully you got back in the house and secured everything.
Riley Bowman: But then it says this intruder came back and another altercation occurred outside
Riley Bowman: the home in the backyard.
Riley Bowman: And that's where he got shot. And it's like, this is why it's the, hmm?
Riley Bowman: Because i mean it's not so much about the fact that intruder
Riley Bowman: came back a second time i mean that is a little
Riley Bowman: bit surprising but those sorts of things can
Riley Bowman: and have happened uh but it's sort of why was the homeowner still out in the
Riley Bowman: backyard that gave the opportunity for this guy to then attack him a second
Riley Bowman: time so yeah that that's that's really the lesson to be learned here is When the problem is solved,
Riley Bowman: get yourself to safety and stay there until police arrive.
Mitch Goerdt: Right, absolutely. Go back in the house and retrieve your gun.
Mitch Goerdt: That's what I assume this guy did here.
Mitch Goerdt: Then why are you going back outside? I guess maybe he's thinking he's going
Mitch Goerdt: to go investigate and see if he's still around, but it's not smart to leave the safety of your home.
Mitch Goerdt: Then you've got a door that you can lock and make sure the guy doesn't come back in.
Mitch Goerdt: You're armed now but it weird that he
Mitch Goerdt: went back outside i don't know if he and it didn't really say in the story whether
Mitch Goerdt: he grabbed a gun and went outside looking with the gun or if he went outside
Mitch Goerdt: and the guy came back and when did the gun come into play how did he get it
Mitch Goerdt: but uh he didn't have it in the first altercation i guess as.
Riley Bowman: Far as we know right yeah it actually does say in the news story this by the
Riley Bowman: way is on click to houston.com and guys you can always find the links to the
Riley Bowman: news stories we talk about in justified saved episodes in the show notes uh
Riley Bowman: once they're published in the podcast feed um
Riley Bowman: But it says, yeah, when the homeowner went back inside, this is after the initial
Riley Bowman: altercation, the suspect returned
Riley Bowman: to the property, leading to a second confrontation in the backyard.
Riley Bowman: And that's when, according to investigators, the homeowner got a handgun and shot the man.
Riley Bowman: So it's the timing, at least according to what's reported is,
Riley Bowman: altercation, altercation ended, homeowner goes inside, back inside the home,
Riley Bowman: the dude returns to the property, but then there's a second confrontation in the backyard.
Riley Bowman: That would seem to imply the homeowner went out when he was already back inside
Riley Bowman: again because the guy came back and he probably saw him through the window or
Riley Bowman: whatever, saw him in the backyard, and then at that point got the handgun and then shot the man.
Riley Bowman: So that's where there are some details here that are kind of like,
Riley Bowman: not really sure what was going on.
Riley Bowman: And regardless, there's definitely some, some tactical errors that were made.
Riley Bowman: And the foremost one being, uh, well, lock your door.
Riley Bowman: If, if, cause it does say that they don't know how the man got in the house,
Riley Bowman: other than they think he just came to the back door.
Riley Bowman: Okay but after that initial uh
Riley Bowman: altercation inside the home getting the
Riley Bowman: man outside the home then go back in the home lock the doors
Riley Bowman: call police and arm yourself there and but stay there don't go back outside
Riley Bowman: so uh yeah that's that's this first one here there's a question in the facebook
Riley Bowman: feed saying did he succumb to his injuries uh the intruder here and he did he
Riley Bowman: he died they found him dead on the the walking trail that was just outside the
Riley Bowman: the property here so yeah
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Thank you for the comment, Shahid. Shahid is the one that's asking that
Riley Bowman: on Facebook and he also chimes in saying he owns restaurants in Houston.
Riley Bowman: So, wow. Yeah. So this was in the, this was in Northwest Harris County.
Mitch Goerdt: It seems like having that walking trail just outside of your fence line is probably
Mitch Goerdt: a good reason to have some sort of cameras, lighting system in your backyard.
Mitch Goerdt: If he came through the back door, that's clearly where he came from in.
Mitch Goerdt: So, so understanding what you're surrounded by in your area,
Mitch Goerdt: having, having a plan set, knowing all these things, having that,
Mitch Goerdt: the home defense strategy and know that, all right, he ran back in the house, call 911,
Mitch Goerdt: find out, you know, family, whatever you got to do.
Mitch Goerdt: But yeah, it seems like this one,
Mitch Goerdt: one that you could, if you're in that situation, you got to prepare for.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, that's the number one thing with home defenses. You got to harden the
Riley Bowman: home defense ahead of time.
Riley Bowman: And all those things are definitely a part of that plan, that home defense plan.
Riley Bowman: I am shocked, you know, speaking in walking trails and residential neighborhoods.
Riley Bowman: There's a trail I frequently do for walks, sometimes with my family or my wife,
Riley Bowman: or I use it quite often when I go for a run as well.
Riley Bowman: And I'm shocked at the one, two, three, four, five, at least five homes that
Riley Bowman: are along this trail that have low fences or, in one case, no fence at all.
Riley Bowman: And I get, like, there's, you know, there's a nice little lake or pond right
Riley Bowman: there, and this trail, there's trees, and it's this beautiful outdoor area.
Riley Bowman: And I get this, you know, like wanting to enjoy that and sort of make that a
Riley Bowman: part, almost like an extension of your backyard.
Riley Bowman: But I'm just shocked. Like I look at that and I comment to my wife and she understands.
Riley Bowman: But at the same time, she's like, yeah, but you can see that they enjoy having
Riley Bowman: their home and their backyard set up like this.
Riley Bowman: And I'm like, it's hard enough as it is when, you know, you got to be concerned
Riley Bowman: about the front of the home and defending that. Now, as soon as you open up
Riley Bowman: that backyard, it's 360 degrees that you've got to be a lot more concerned about.
Riley Bowman: And so, anyway, harden the perimeter of your homes, folks.
Riley Bowman: And make sure you lock those doors. Number, or second story here in the hmm category.
Riley Bowman: Man shot his foot at 3 a.m., returns at 8 a.m., kicks the door in, then gets shot.
Riley Bowman: This is, bear with me here. This is, this one's interesting.
Riley Bowman: All right. So this happened in Jackson, Mississippi, which by the way is like, it's not number one.
Riley Bowman: It's like number two most violent crime town per capita in the U.S.
Riley Bowman: So not a big surprise there but uh at
Riley Bowman: approximately 3 a.m the 25 year old suspect arrived
Riley Bowman: at a residence he got into an altercation with
Riley Bowman: an occupant now from the reporting and mitch called me out on this he he pointed
Riley Bowman: it out and our we were planning ahead of time here he's like was this guy just
Riley Bowman: there like he was a guest or what and i read the story again i was like okay
Riley Bowman: it's a little bit unclear it does seem to imply he just happens to be at the
Riley Bowman: home not that he like broke into the home.
Riley Bowman: I read it, I think the first time as he broke into the home once and then broke into it again.
Riley Bowman: But it sounds like he may have just been a guest in the home.
Riley Bowman: And he's there, he gets into a fight with one of the residents and shoots that
Riley Bowman: resident in the foot. Okay.
Riley Bowman: So that happens at about 3 a.m. This is back on May 1st, by the way, so like two weeks ago.
Riley Bowman: And then about five hours later, so 7.55 a.m.
Riley Bowman: It says in the story, he returns to the house, fires multiple rounds through
Riley Bowman: the front door, then kicks the door in, then gets shot by the homeowner.
Riley Bowman: And I believe he's found dead. Let's see here.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, he is found dead, shot multiple times right there in the front sidewalk
Riley Bowman: in front of the home. And so...
Riley Bowman: I was like, whoa, this is quite a story. You know, I mean, what is going on here?
Riley Bowman: Dude is there, shoots one of the residents, then comes back five hours later,
Riley Bowman: and then tries to shoot them again.
Riley Bowman: I'm not sure what happened between 3 a.m. and 7.55 a.m., Mitch.
Mitch Goerdt: Apparently, they didn't call the cops at all or anything. Right.
Mitch Goerdt: This initial shooting. So, this is a weird one.
Riley Bowman: This is where i'm like this is in the category because i kind of think there
Riley Bowman: was some illicit activities taking place that's probably why nobody was called the first time i'm
Mitch Goerdt: Guessing i'm guessing some nefarious action was happening in that first one.
Riley Bowman: Uh so yeah but regardless of that
Riley Bowman: i'm a big believer in this regardless of
Riley Bowman: whether there was other illicit activities or
Riley Bowman: behavior taking place uh when he
Riley Bowman: comes back a second time and shoots his way and kicks
Riley Bowman: his way through the front door even if these guys
Riley Bowman: are criminals i still believe that everybody has the right
Riley Bowman: to self-defense and in that in that
Riley Bowman: second altercation or whatever you want to call that that
Riley Bowman: is for sure an act of self-defense as far as how we read
Riley Bowman: this right because he comes back he shoots through the door
Riley Bowman: kicks through the door and then gets shot in defense like
Riley Bowman: i don't care if those guys on the other side of that door are
Riley Bowman: gangbangers i know some of you would be like serves them right probably does
Riley Bowman: but they everyone still has the right self-defense and in that second incident
Riley Bowman: like that's for sure self-defense but what was going on before that who knows
Riley Bowman: because somebody got shot and nobody apparently knew as far as the authorities that's
Mitch Goerdt: That's the civil court side of things i think you got to worry about the your
Mitch Goerdt: your past altercations with this person but in that moment uh you're definitely
Mitch Goerdt: fearing for your life when someone's firing through the front door so yeah definite
Mitch Goerdt: self-defense here but might.
Riley Bowman: Be wild there's
Mitch Goerdt: There's some some stuff to dig dig up in that background of that first shooting
Mitch Goerdt: what's going on there that might come up in a in a civil court battle or or something.
Riley Bowman: For sure
Riley Bowman: So that was an interesting one. So yeah, that concludes our category of today's
Riley Bowman: Justified Saves episode.
Riley Bowman: A couple of those that just had some interesting details that had me,
Riley Bowman: you know, scratching the head a little bit.
Riley Bowman: We're pulling on those chin hairs, just trying to figure out.
Mitch Goerdt: Two shootings in which a person was there, left, and then back again.
Mitch Goerdt: Yeah. Same night, same morning.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. And as we're going to feature in another story, you know,
Riley Bowman: criminals be criminals, man.
Riley Bowman: So, yeah, there's definitely a chance that they come back. It's not the first
Riley Bowman: time we've seen this in Justified Saves episodes.
Riley Bowman: And I can think of another incident where there was a shooting that took place
Riley Bowman: at a home or maybe it wasn't a shooting initially, but it was a fight of some kind.
Riley Bowman: And then those individuals basically did a drive-by shooting as they came back
Riley Bowman: a little while later. and the resident, you know, engaged them with his firearm at that point.
Riley Bowman: So it's definitely something that should be on your mind. If you do have an
Riley Bowman: incident that occurs, do not assume that it's over, okay?
Riley Bowman: Get yourself somewhere safe and secure where you maybe hopefully have reasonable
Riley Bowman: amount of cover protection from, you know, in case they come back for any reason, right?
Riley Bowman: And then make that 911 call and get authorities there as soon as possible because, you know,
Riley Bowman: if something particularly if it's a violent crime of any sort they're going
Riley Bowman: to be there for a while and then at least provides you some amount of coverage
Riley Bowman: that they're the bad guy's probably not coming back when there's you know four
Riley Bowman: or seven you know police vehicles out front of your place
Mitch Goerdt: So and there's just a you want to have a record of that first attack like if.
Riley Bowman: For sure even
Mitch Goerdt: If it didn't come back but like you want to have that on record so whatever
Mitch Goerdt: you're doing Hopefully if you're not breaking the law already,
Mitch Goerdt: you better, you better call the police, I guess.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, no, you should always, always call.
Riley Bowman: Yeah, I'm reminded of just, I think the last Justified Saves episode was the,
Riley Bowman: I think it was like a DoorDash driver or something.
Riley Bowman: And, you know, he got, it was a shooting between him and another vehicle.
Riley Bowman: And, you know, he responded, he shot back, but he immediately,
Riley Bowman: he got himself somewhere safe, pulled off, called 911.
Riley Bowman: He did everything right to a T. Like that's, that's a great example of this sort of thing.
Riley Bowman: I could think of another one a while back where someone was involved in a shooting
Riley Bowman: and it was, I think at a convenience store or gas station.
Riley Bowman: And, you know, they responded with fire, they defended themselves,
Riley Bowman: and then they got themselves the heck out of there, and the one thing we talked
Riley Bowman: about in that story was that,
Riley Bowman: you know, some people would be concerned about leaving the scene,
Riley Bowman: but you do need to do what is important for you safety-wise first,
Riley Bowman: and be calling 911 so that, you know, for sure you want to be the first one that calls,
Riley Bowman: because that always paints you in a better light, so get yourself the heck out if you need to,
Riley Bowman: if that's what's necessary to be safe, make that 911 call as soon as is possible safely.
Riley Bowman: And, you know, just because you had to, you know, for your own safety,
Riley Bowman: leave the area initially doesn't mean you're going to be looked at as the bad guy.
Riley Bowman: I mean, you could, but, you know, just depending on the circumstances,
Riley Bowman: but it doesn't always equate that you're the bad guy because you leave the scene, if that makes sense.
Riley Bowman: You do what you got to do to be safe, but make that 911 call. All right.
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Riley Bowman: A couple of times. Yeah. Actually, I got into my son's trauma kit today.
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Riley Bowman: And we also put in there some Band-Aids and, you know, things that are more
Riley Bowman: of a first aid kit sort of nature, not necessarily a trauma kit.
Riley Bowman: But he wanted, you know, a bandage and like a pressure bandage and a couple
Riley Bowman: of things because he wanted to be legit.
Riley Bowman: So one of those things in that kit was an ace wrap, okay, or an elastic bandage.
Riley Bowman: And today he fell during field day
Riley Bowman: and buggered up his elbow pretty good uh which
Riley Bowman: was mostly taken care of with a large band-aid but he
Riley Bowman: still wanted to run around and have fun on field day he's like the bandage is
Riley Bowman: gonna wear off dad so we got into his his trauma kit and pulled out that ace
Riley Bowman: wrap bandage and just wrapped it wrapped it around his elbow in the in the in
Riley Bowman: the band-aid and he's just thrilled he had his trauma kit there so guys take
Riley Bowman: that heartwarming story and just know that, hey,
Riley Bowman: if an eight-year-old can have a trauma kit at school, you can have a trauma kit,
Riley Bowman: go get them at mountmahmedical.com forward slash STB.
Riley Bowman: All right, let's get into some more stories, some justified saves.
Riley Bowman: We got some good ones here. Mitch, how about this next one here?
Riley Bowman: Masked burglar demands money, grabs for a gun, gets shot in the struggle.
Mitch Goerdt: Okay. Yeah, this one happened in Nashville. A 56-year-old man was watching TV
Mitch Goerdt: in his bedroom when a 45-year-old Derek Mercer entered wearing a medical mask
Mitch Goerdt: and demanded money from him.
Mitch Goerdt: So the the homeowner then
Mitch Goerdt: grabs his gun that i guess is just sitting next
Mitch Goerdt: to him on the bed or yeah he's
Mitch Goerdt: watching tv in his bedroom nightstand something grabs
Mitch Goerdt: grabs with the gun the guy breaking in dives
Mitch Goerdt: for it too they're struggling uh and
Mitch Goerdt: while they're struggling the weapon discharges and and the bad guy is struck
Mitch Goerdt: in the chest uh he survived but uh police confirmed that the victim knew Mercer
Mitch Goerdt: but did not recognize him with the mask on at the time.
Mitch Goerdt: And now this guy's facing aggravated burglary charges and unlawful gun possession.
Riley Bowman: It's not unusual that break-ins
Riley Bowman: occur, you know, like that the perpetrator is somebody that is known.
Riley Bowman: You know, I'm not going to say it's like the most common type of like home invasion
Riley Bowman: necessarily, but it's, this is not the first time I've seen this either.
Riley Bowman: Right. And then one of the reasons for that, perhaps, especially if this was
Riley Bowman: intended to be some kind of theft is, uh, which of course it could have been
Riley Bowman: something else, but if it's a theft, it's because some of the people closest to us know what we have.
Riley Bowman: So that's something we got to watch out for uh which
Riley Bowman: is also why it's wise to maybe be careful keep your your cards close to your
Riley Bowman: chest uh especially if if there's somebody in your life that you know that but
Riley Bowman: you don't necessarily really fully trust uh don't let them know what you have
Riley Bowman: uh don't let them know where the gold is you know stored or the guns or whatever right
Mitch Goerdt: Yeah this one is probably a good one for that vera safety uh that.
Riley Bowman: Was exactly what i was thinking mitch
Mitch Goerdt: Yeah i'm safe there like like the
Mitch Goerdt: the idea of having you know he had that gun right next
Mitch Goerdt: to him good on him for having a gun there
Mitch Goerdt: and and being able to defend himself but it was also just right there in a place
Mitch Goerdt: where this intruder is diving forward at the same time as him instead of only
Mitch Goerdt: being able to be reached by him in that moment and and then it becomes you know
Mitch Goerdt: you're fighting for your life over a gun instead of,
Mitch Goerdt: In a gunfight, whoever gets the gun is who's going to survive this fight.
Mitch Goerdt: So it's not a, I see these comments all the time when we talk about gun safes
Mitch Goerdt: and the gun on the nightstand, people saying that they need to have it there
Mitch Goerdt: and ready for them in that moment.
Mitch Goerdt: And I guess they're always imagining this specific event in which a intruder
Mitch Goerdt: is busting into your bedroom with, and you're coming out of, I guess,
Mitch Goerdt: being passed out sleeping too, that you have to have it so quick that it can't
Mitch Goerdt: be in a safe or in a biometric virus safety hole safe.
Mitch Goerdt: And then, but if this guy's already in the room, he's already right there.
Mitch Goerdt: As that happens, you're, you're fighting over the gun with him.
Mitch Goerdt: It's not, you don't have possession of that gun.
Mitch Goerdt: So if you're worried about a person being in that room with you at that moment
Mitch Goerdt: of realization that you're being robbed or being attacked, I don't want to have, you know,
Mitch Goerdt: I don't want to have the gun or the self-defense tool in between the two of
Mitch Goerdt: us. And now we're fighting over that tool.
Mitch Goerdt: I would rather have it in a place where only I can get it.
Mitch Goerdt: When i'm ready to get it so that was.
Riley Bowman: You just you nailed it man like that was this is exactly the story i was thinking
Riley Bowman: that i had in mind when i was doing the virus safety sponsor message
Riley Bowman: was this this incident because i know people that are like well i don't have
Riley Bowman: little ones in the house so i'm not worried about unauthorized access you know
Riley Bowman: it's just me it's just me my wife whatever
Riley Bowman: and so i just keep you know when i go to bed at night i just keep the gun on
Riley Bowman: the nightstand it's like, cool, bro. I understand. I get that.
Riley Bowman: That's a decision you get to make as a big boy or a big girl.
Riley Bowman: But this is just one of those things that maybe you don't necessarily think about.
Riley Bowman: And it is, hey, what if, what if, and it's good to play those what ifs, right?
Riley Bowman: What if dude ends up in your room and you somehow don't know that, okay?
Riley Bowman: And they see your gun on your nightstand. Boom.
Riley Bowman: Like man it's it's on okay uh and by the way we have shared stories on justified
Riley Bowman: saves episodes in in years past where home intruder
Riley Bowman: Basically, the homeowner or homeowners, like man and wife, let's say,
Riley Bowman: are basically awakened by bad dudes standing over them in the bed or awakened
Riley Bowman: by being struck in the head with a hammer or something.
Riley Bowman: It's like if your gun's right there out in the open, if they manage to make
Riley Bowman: it that far, instead of a hammer, they could have your own gun in their hand and use it against you.
Riley Bowman: So it's good to maybe still consider having some form of secure but quick access
Riley Bowman: storage, even if you're not worried about little ones running around.
Riley Bowman: So just this is one of those stories. It's like I like I like it for that.
Riley Bowman: What if scenario that maybe gets us to pause a little bit and reevaluate what we do.
Riley Bowman: It doesn't mean I'm trying to tell you what to do or how to go about your life
Riley Bowman: necessarily in this regard.
Riley Bowman: But it maybe hopefully gives you some just something else to think about.
Riley Bowman: And I'll tell you, with products like that Vara Safety Reach 2S,
Riley Bowman: where you could have it mounted to the side of your bed, it's secure.
Riley Bowman: Nobody can get it except who's ever authorized fingerprint and stored in that thing.
Riley Bowman: It's still really fast, okay?
Riley Bowman: So you can still have your gun in an instant, but it's secure until you need it.
Riley Bowman: So anyway, perfect. I was glad you picked up on that as well, reading this story.
Mitch Goerdt: I think this is, I mean, being that this fight is happening over,
Mitch Goerdt: over your gun, I think it's a good time to think about like,
Mitch Goerdt: are you training to, you know,
Mitch Goerdt: fighting for retention of your firearm, understanding how to keep it on you
Mitch Goerdt: and, and, and get it, gain access to it in a fight or keep access of it in a
Mitch Goerdt: fight. So something to think about.
Mitch Goerdt: I know like our Guardian Conference, some of that stuff.
Mitch Goerdt: And I've seen a lot of great instruction there on that subject and keeping your
Mitch Goerdt: hands on the gun and getting other people's hands off your gun.
Mitch Goerdt: Something that you should be training.
Riley Bowman: 100 percent uh yeah how how are those hand-to-hand skills
Riley Bowman: we will have you know over the years we've been very fortunate to
Riley Bowman: have some amazing trainers on the combative
Riley Bowman: side of the equation at the guardian conference
Riley Bowman: this year we'll have cecil birch um if you
Riley Bowman: guys don't know dude is he's practically a legend
Riley Bowman: in this area okay uh everyone i
Riley Bowman: know that knows cecil birch respects the heck out
Riley Bowman: of cecil for not only what he knows
Riley Bowman: and has experience wise but also for the the kind
Riley Bowman: of human that he is uh if you want to learn from
Riley Bowman: one of the best in in the industry for
Riley Bowman: teaching hand to hand combatives close quarters
Riley Bowman: uh you know retention all that come come to the guardian conference and get
Riley Bowman: some training with directly you know one-on-one well it'll be part of a small
Riley Bowman: group but you know you know what i mean you get some training face to face with
Riley Bowman: one of the best in the business and that's cecil birch so yeah so i'm glad you
Riley Bowman: mentioned that as well mitch
Riley Bowman: Let's get to our next one here. Let's see. We've got a story out of Las Vegas.
Riley Bowman: This happened in a Smith's food store.
Riley Bowman: And I saw the address, Mitch, which is quoted directly in the news story.
Riley Bowman: And I was like, son of a gun.
Riley Bowman: Like, I know right where that is. And why I know where that is is because I
Riley Bowman: lived like two blocks away when I lived in Las Vegas, geez, 20 years ago this summer.
Riley Bowman: That's crazy to think. I only lived there for a little less than six months,
Riley Bowman: but we lived in Silverado Ranch neighborhood, which is where this Smiths is located.
Riley Bowman: So I don't think I actually shopped at the Smiths while we lived there.
Riley Bowman: I think we went to, I don't know.
Riley Bowman: Oh, it was a Walmart neighborhood market because that one was right across the
Riley Bowman: street from where we lived.
Mitch Goerdt: I figured maybe it was one that we'd shopped at when we were there for SHOT
Mitch Goerdt: Show. We've been in some sketchy looking Smiths.
Riley Bowman: Okay, so I'm glad you mentioned that. The one that we have stopped at two or
Riley Bowman: three times over the years and shopped at when we're down there,
Riley Bowman: you know, staying in Airbnb is like the next nearest Smiths to this one.
Riley Bowman: So, yeah, I picked up on that as well. I was like, oh, that's not far from where
Riley Bowman: we, because at first I was like, wait, is that the, I was like, no, no, no.
Riley Bowman: Because this one's a little bit further east than that one.
Riley Bowman: But anyway, yeah, so here's what happened. Okay, not to make light of,
Riley Bowman: you know, we're kind of, you know, laughing right now, but let's,
Riley Bowman: let's dial it back in and get serious with the story. This is a sad story.
Riley Bowman: This happened, basically what it was, was a...
Riley Bowman: It was an ambush style killing, uh, by, uh, presumably just an,
Riley Bowman: an angry ex of a woman. Okay.
Riley Bowman: So, uh, you got this woman, uh, she gets, she's gotten married to this guy.
Riley Bowman: Okay. But her ex boyfriend whom she has two kids with, uh, is obviously still
Riley Bowman: mad at, you know, the fallout between him and her or whatever.
Riley Bowman: And now she's remarried. And so he goes after, and apparently
Riley Bowman: she works at the smiths and she's married to
Riley Bowman: a guy that works at the smiths because it says they were both
Riley Bowman: there at work uh and so this
Riley Bowman: guy a 43 year old suspect knows where
Riley Bowman: his ex-girlfriend works knows where her new newish
Riley Bowman: husband also works with her go actually
Riley Bowman: he goes to their house first if you read carefully in the news story
Riley Bowman: he talks it talks about how later as police are doing
Riley Bowman: an investigation they find that this man this
Riley Bowman: you know estranged ex-boyfriend shot his
Riley Bowman: way through the back door like shot a
Riley Bowman: glass sliding door shot that out the glass goes
Riley Bowman: inside ransacks the house ransacks their bedroom okay and that happened pretty
Riley Bowman: early in the morning and then a few hours later he makes his way to the smiths
Riley Bowman: where they work finds them they happen to be together and going down the same
Riley Bowman: aisle doing work whatever you know i don't know what their job positions were but They,
Riley Bowman: he, he basically follows them down a shopping aisle,
Riley Bowman: ambushes them, shoots, kills them both.
Riley Bowman: Okay. Sad and tragic because again, uh, you know, she's at least the mother
Riley Bowman: to two of this, these children that she shares with her ex-boyfriend.
Riley Bowman: I presumably there's some other kids involved as well.
Riley Bowman: They, they're not there as this happens fortunately, but now,
Riley Bowman: you know, these kids got a mama and maybe a father or stepfather at the very
Riley Bowman: least that are no longer with them.
Riley Bowman: Now, here's the heroic part of the story, and this is actually pretty good, okay?
Riley Bowman: So that's the tragic part, but the heroic part is that, so the shooting happens, okay?
Riley Bowman: And people in the store, you know, pick up on this. Some start scrambling for
Riley Bowman: the exits, you know, doing the right thing, getting the heck out of there.
Riley Bowman: One man who was a truck driver who happened to just stop there,
Riley Bowman: he had a load to pick up a little bit later. or he's just grabbing some supplies
Riley Bowman: for the road or whatever.
Riley Bowman: He runs to where the shooting took place and sees the man with the gun.
Riley Bowman: The man sees him, presumably starts raising the gun, and this truck driver tackles
Riley Bowman: him. And now the fight is on.
Riley Bowman: Then that's when another man who's in the store with his family,
Riley Bowman: he's got, I think, his wife and kids with him, he escorts them quickly away.
Riley Bowman: He gets them to safety. He goes back because he realizes this man is fighting
Riley Bowman: with the gunman and he's in trouble.
Riley Bowman: So now this other guy gets involved and the two of them now together are able
Riley Bowman: to gain control over the gunman's gun, get that away from him,
Riley Bowman: get him subdued until authorities and police can arrive.
Riley Bowman: These guys are absolute heroes and deserve that title completely because instead
Riley Bowman: of, you know, they could have, they could have just left.
Riley Bowman: And the one man in particular had his family there with him and he could have just gone with him.
Riley Bowman: And I would not have questioned or judged a person for doing that.
Mitch Goerdt: Not at all.
Riley Bowman: But he instead also turned around once his family, he felt like his family was safe.
Riley Bowman: He turned around and went back into the fight and was a part of stopping this.
Riley Bowman: What started out as a targeted ambush style murder, but could have then turned
Riley Bowman: into a mass shooting. We don't know for sure.
Riley Bowman: We don't know what the intents were of this man, but we do know.
Riley Bowman: Here's an interesting detail.
Riley Bowman: When police arrived, they found him with a .45 caliber handgun and they also
Riley Bowman: found him with a 9mm carbine with multiple magazines.
Riley Bowman: It's like, hey, typically if you're just going to ambush your
Riley Bowman: ex-girlfriend and her husband you don't really need
Riley Bowman: more than just the handgun you're gonna do that with uh so it's possible this
Riley Bowman: guy was planning on doing more uh just you know because that's that's the way
Riley Bowman: it goes sometimes people it's like i'm gonna i'm gonna go out i'm gonna go out
Riley Bowman: big i'm gonna take as many as i can with me so i don't know what's your take on that uh
Mitch Goerdt: Yeah i was i was gonna say that it it seemed to me in my mind that he had those extra an extra gun,
Mitch Goerdt: multiple magazines he he didn't put
Mitch Goerdt: them in there i mean he put he put them in his bag and brought them in there knowing
Mitch Goerdt: at least at least thinking that he might use them
Mitch Goerdt: and he if he was only going to kill one one or two
Mitch Goerdt: people he was thinking that he was going to go out bigger
Mitch Goerdt: than bigger than just that so i think that he probably was looking to hurt more
Mitch Goerdt: people than just just that first two and yeah like he said these guys were it's
Mitch Goerdt: suit they are heroes and we I see people talk about this a lot like.
Mitch Goerdt: In a situation like this, you know, your duty is to yourself and your family
Mitch Goerdt: and your loved ones get them away.
Mitch Goerdt: And as the second guy did, like he got his family out of the store and the story
Mitch Goerdt: that I had read said he noticed he saw the fight happening with the other guy
Mitch Goerdt: as he took his family out of the store.
Mitch Goerdt: And he just couldn't, couldn't, you know, he knew he had to go back in and help
Mitch Goerdt: this guy out. He wasn't going to leave him alone there.
Mitch Goerdt: And both of them were heroes for sure in my book.
Mitch Goerdt: And like you said, I wouldn't blame anybody for running out of that store and
Mitch Goerdt: getting to safety in that moment.
Mitch Goerdt: And oftentimes when shooting erupts, I just recently read a Greg Elifritz article
Mitch Goerdt: when he's talking about this type of situation.
Mitch Goerdt: Oftentimes when shooting goes off, there's a specific reasoning on gang fights, whatever it is.
Mitch Goerdt: It's you don't really know what's happening in that situation it's
Mitch Goerdt: oftentimes not the typical mass shooter situation that
Mitch Goerdt: we all think about like i know when i think about
Mitch Goerdt: uh these things and i and i try to you know
Mitch Goerdt: i've heard uh john correa
Mitch Goerdt: talk about having like what's my my
Mitch Goerdt: indicator of when i'm gonna when i'm gonna do my when i'm
Mitch Goerdt: gonna when am i gonna join this fight when do i have to i
Mitch Goerdt: heard chris seiper talking about it in his courses knowing
Mitch Goerdt: where's my line and what do i have
Mitch Goerdt: like what what is the what is my go signal like yeah and and i think that in
Mitch Goerdt: the situation those guys had you know they had that in themselves they knew
Mitch Goerdt: what they were willing to fight for and what they you know were willing to what
Mitch Goerdt: they knew they had to run from and this time was,
Mitch Goerdt: they knew that they could help and they wanted to help and they they fought
Mitch Goerdt: in that moment and i good for them for doing that.
Mitch Goerdt: I, I would, I would hope that I had that courage, uh, to do that,
Mitch Goerdt: to help out in that situation too. When, if that time does come.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. I appreciate your, your own thoughts on that.
Riley Bowman: And analysis says spot on dude, uh, to know what, yeah, where that line is for
Riley Bowman: each of us individually and what we are willing and able, uh,
Riley Bowman: to do and having a plan ahead of time where possible.
Riley Bowman: Good stuff. Now you mentioned John Korea, by the way, uh, he actually is one
Riley Bowman: of our stories. Now I'm not, I'm going to, I'm going to go ahead and take the lead on this.
Riley Bowman: Uh, and then we're going to be kind of brief because I do hope we can get John
Riley Bowman: on the podcast, hopefully in the near future, uh, to actually talk about this himself.
Riley Bowman: So I don't want to take any of that wind, uh, out of his sail.
Riley Bowman: Uh, but, uh, I did want to mention that just a little more than a month ago,
Riley Bowman: uh, he had a home break in his home.
Riley Bowman: Okay. And he lives in the Phoenix, Arizona area. Uh, I've been to his home.
Riley Bowman: It's a beautiful home, nice home.
Riley Bowman: Uh, and, and, and so kind of knowing the layout as he,
Riley Bowman: as he's telling this story, he posted it publicly on facebook so it's out there
Riley Bowman: if you want to you know find and read this for yourself but uh i was able to
Riley Bowman: kind of picture what this you know how this played out in his home because i've
Riley Bowman: been in there but i guess i've slept in his home uh very very kind of him to
Riley Bowman: um offer up his home for me before but uh
Riley Bowman: Anyway, they legit had a home intruder in his home, which is in a pretty nice neighborhood.
Riley Bowman: I think it's gated, I think. I seem to recall it being gated.
Riley Bowman: And so, I mean, this kind of thing can happen anywhere to anybody.
Riley Bowman: And if it can happen to the master of online, you know,
Riley Bowman: self-defense shooting breakdowns, active, you know, self-protection YouTube
Riley Bowman: channel with millions and millions of subscribers, followers,
Riley Bowman: and views, and, you know, actually probably billions of views over the years,
Riley Bowman: it can happen to any of us, okay, in any neighborhood, just about anywhere, anytime.
Riley Bowman: Uh but uh basically goes down
Riley Bowman: that it sounds like the man somehow made his way into the
Riley Bowman: home through uh john's office balcony which
Riley Bowman: again i know where this is and how that how this could potentially happen i
Riley Bowman: probably wouldn't have thought that was necessarily how somebody would gain
Riley Bowman: access but that sounds like that's what happened here got in uh actually encountered
Riley Bowman: john's uh son first who had a, I think actually it was a sword.
Riley Bowman: He says a large knife, but in John's wife's post, she mentions a sword.
Riley Bowman: Either way, it was a large edged weapon of some sort. John comes out,
Riley Bowman: confronts him, gets a gun.
Riley Bowman: And about that point, the guy, you know, he chases him out of the home.
Riley Bowman: The guy leaves and they actually end up finding him because he attempted to
Riley Bowman: break into another property not too far away.
Riley Bowman: Cops came back and asked if John and his son would go and basically do identification
Riley Bowman: on this guy and it was in fact him and I feel a lot more free talking about
Riley Bowman: this now too because I know that
Riley Bowman: And this actually happened really quickly, by the way, because this happened
Riley Bowman: back in the beginning of April.
Riley Bowman: And just this week, John, I think, attended the sentencing for this man and
Riley Bowman: testified there in that sentencing.
Riley Bowman: So they arrested him. They charged him.
Riley Bowman: Guy pled guilty. And so it moved to the courts really fast.
Riley Bowman: And he's now been sentenced. But anyway, I hope to get John on the podcast to
Riley Bowman: just tell the story himself.
Riley Bowman: It's his story to tell, and I think it'd be great if we could have him on.
Riley Bowman: And so I intend to invite him, and maybe we'll send him this clip and be a little
Riley Bowman: encouraging for him to come on.
Riley Bowman: So anyway, that's pretty crazy to have that happen to not only one of the biggest
Riley Bowman: YouTube celebrities as far as self-defense justified uses of force kind of stuff goes,
Riley Bowman: but to a friend as well.
Mitch Goerdt: Yeah.
Riley Bowman: All right, Mitch, tell us about this story out of Miami Gardens,
Riley Bowman: Florida, where a teen presumed robber, armed robber, gets himself shot as he
Riley Bowman: tries to steal a man's watch.
Mitch Goerdt: So this is your, I think there's a Facebook marketplace meetup type sale going on,
Mitch Goerdt: and the victim arranged this
Mitch Goerdt: to sell his watch to to this uh 17 year
Mitch Goerdt: old kid man you know
Mitch Goerdt: young young young person uh and when
Mitch Goerdt: this 17 year old arrives he pulls out a gun
Mitch Goerdt: he's not gonna he's not doesn't want to buy the watch he's
Mitch Goerdt: gonna he's gonna steal it from him um and the victim pushed the teen and uh
Mitch Goerdt: there's some conflicting stories but the gun discharges in that time and the
Mitch Goerdt: teen has actually hit the the attacker the the robber the attempted robber and he is taken to the,
Mitch Goerdt: Yeah, this, I'm not sure, there's two different, there's multiple sources on this.
Mitch Goerdt: One saying that the victim fired the shot.
Mitch Goerdt: Another one saying that it was during the fight and the teen shot himself in the hand in the fight.
Mitch Goerdt: But yeah, that's the classic Facebook Marketplace ambush.
Mitch Goerdt: I've never bought anything on Facebook Marketplace or Craigslist before.
Mitch Goerdt: Or maybe just to avoid this situation.
Riley Bowman: That's probably, I suppose, for the best. I, on the other hand,
Riley Bowman: have purchased a number of times things from Marketplace or Craigslist, for that matter.
Riley Bowman: But I kind of have my own set of rules for how I go about doing those kinds of transactions.
Riley Bowman: And one of those is vetting people before.
Riley Bowman: Like I just messaged one this week, actually, is something that I came across.
Riley Bowman: I'm like, I've been kind of wanting one of those. That's a good price.
Riley Bowman: And as I'm messaging back and forth to the person, I'm just like,
Riley Bowman: it just feels a little bit icky.
Riley Bowman: I don't know how to put, you know, what I don't know how to,
Riley Bowman: how else to explain it, but just like, there's just something about the way
Riley Bowman: they communicate, the way the language they're using, you know,
Riley Bowman: where they want to possibly meet.
Riley Bowman: Just there's just these like little like warning bells that go off and i'm just
Riley Bowman: like it's a good deal but i'm gonna back out of this because i definitely try
Riley Bowman: to manage my risk that way but
Riley Bowman: here's the thing uh this is what i would say about this and then move on to
Riley Bowman: the next story uh because these sorts of things do happen so uh make sure you're
Riley Bowman: meeting in a public place preferably uh at or near a police station a lot of police stations um
Riley Bowman: Have like actually designated uh meetup places
Riley Bowman: designated right there like in the parking lot or whatever
Riley Bowman: the police station um i know that mine does right
Riley Bowman: you know the police station right next to me um has
Riley Bowman: signage up you know uh online sales
Riley Bowman: meetup location or something like that i can't remember what
Riley Bowman: they call it but um that that
Riley Bowman: sort of thing is good and wise to do only do it during daytime
Riley Bowman: hours um although you know
Riley Bowman: even this this incident happened i think during the daytime or
Riley Bowman: relative daytime it was still still daylight 6 20 p.m
Riley Bowman: okay and this is just like a week ago so that's that's almost
Riley Bowman: certainly during daylight but uh anyway so
Riley Bowman: just there's just some things that you should you should do if you're going to do this
Riley Bowman: um you know mitch's approach is the safest one by far don't
Riley Bowman: do online you know meetups but uh if
Riley Bowman: you're going to find a good place to do
Riley Bowman: it well lit or preferably just do it
Riley Bowman: during the day or it's very public and bring
Riley Bowman: back but bring bring back up okay that's a good plan too
Riley Bowman: yeah that's a good idea and then i also i'll give you some other things when
Riley Bowman: i if we're meeting in a you know sometimes i'm buying from somebody and they
Riley Bowman: they just they determine the place uh if they're like if it's a sketchy place
Riley Bowman: i'm like do you mind if we meet over this other one you know this other place
Riley Bowman: or you know i find something that's more suitable to me um but then
Riley Bowman: Sometimes there's this, hey, we're meeting up, and they'll be like,
Riley Bowman: I'm driving a white Hyundai whatever kind of thing.
Riley Bowman: And I will not tell them what I am driving until I have identified them.
Riley Bowman: So I always arrive at these meetups early, and I am watching for them.
Riley Bowman: Even if they haven't told me their exact description yet, I'm watching every
Riley Bowman: vehicle that arrives. And I'm like, is that them?
Riley Bowman: Is that them? that looks like somebody that's looking because you can just tell
Riley Bowman: like that person arrived in the parking lot they look a little hesitant they're
Riley Bowman: looking all around like they're looking for somebody i'm like that's my guy
Riley Bowman: he's looking for me i get eyes on them before they get eyes on me
Riley Bowman: and then and then i and i have bugged out of deals before where i'm like i don't
Riley Bowman: like the look of that i don't like to look at this guy i like to look at his
Riley Bowman: car it doesn't matter you know there's Something about it is off and then I'm out.
Riley Bowman: So anyway, so there's just, there's things that, that are good and wise to do.
Riley Bowman: So there's some, some of my little tips.
Riley Bowman: Um, looks like we're having, okay, lost a connection there for a brief second,
Riley Bowman: but we're back, it appears.
Riley Bowman: Mitch, just because of time, I'm going to go ahead and folks,
Riley Bowman: we'll try to include all the show or in the show notes, all the links,
Riley Bowman: the stories, but we're going to skip two stories here. And they're good ones, by the way.
Riley Bowman: There's one that happens at a nail salon.
Riley Bowman: And what's noteworthy about this is it happened after weeks of threats from
Riley Bowman: this individual. So there's some lessons we learned from that one for sure.
Riley Bowman: Okay, that happened in San Antonio, Texas.
Riley Bowman: So again, you can see this in the show notes of the published podcast episode.
Riley Bowman: Once this goes out, you can go read that one for yourself.
Riley Bowman: And then you can also see one about a carjacker.
Riley Bowman: And I really wanted to cover this one, but we got to save some time for our last story.
Riley Bowman: This one also happened and it happened in garland texas
Riley Bowman: and this one's crazy because we've talked about this jacob
Riley Bowman: and i know we have recently even talking about how a lot
Riley Bowman: of times carjacking start with a crash okay so
Riley Bowman: dude crashes into two vehicles abandons his
Riley Bowman: car now he's trying to find his next getaway vehicle
Riley Bowman: basically right that's the kind of thing you want to be watching
Riley Bowman: for that's why you don't want to get in an accident with somebody and then like
Riley Bowman: immediately start trying to exchange information no it's like figure
Riley Bowman: out what's going on first and make sure you're safe first but anyway you
Riley Bowman: can go read that story as well uh in the the
Riley Bowman: the link is it's that's that's on fox4news.com and so you can find that one
Riley Bowman: father shoots carjacker trying to drive away with family of eight inside pretty
Riley Bowman: wild there's a video with that one too yeah but let's get to this this last
Riley Bowman: story here okay um armed marine vet with concealed carry permit
Riley Bowman: Joins a state trooper to stop active shooter on what's called Memorial Drive.
Riley Bowman: That's a street in Cambridge, Massachusetts, Boston area.
Riley Bowman: This happened just three days ago, about 1.30 p.m., so it's middle of the day.
Riley Bowman: It's like middle of the work day even. This is a weekday, middle of the day.
Riley Bowman: Dude, a suspect, 46-year-old suspect, convicted felon, has a rap sheet going back 20-plus years.
Riley Bowman: Uh, most recently, at least violent crime wise, like he was convicted of getting
Riley Bowman: in a shootout with cops back in 2020.
Riley Bowman: Okay. This is a bad dude. Okay. He's, and, and I know I can already hear you
Riley Bowman: guys click clacking on the keyboard out there being like, how come he's not
Riley Bowman: still in jail? He was just in a shootout like six years ago.
Riley Bowman: I don't know, but that is definitely a failure, I think.
Riley Bowman: But anyway dude just starts walking
Riley Bowman: down memorial drive in boston and just
Riley Bowman: starts randomly shooting everywhere he's shooting in the sky
Riley Bowman: he's shooting the ground he's shooting cars he shoots a mail truck
Riley Bowman: he shoots he even like goes up to people's vehicles and he start he's like bashing
Riley Bowman: his the barrel of his gun into the wind into their windows trying to like knock
Riley Bowman: their windows out i mean he's unhinged as far as i can tell uh and frankly i
Riley Bowman: think it was he just he doesn't know how to i I think
Riley Bowman: Live a normal life outside of incarceration i think that's where he's at and
Riley Bowman: he's probably got mental illness too but yeah
Mitch Goerdt: For sure mental breakdown in this one like.
Riley Bowman: Yeah i mean it
Mitch Goerdt: Had to be crazy.
Riley Bowman: It's i'm i want to go back to jail and or die by you know suicide by cop it's
Riley Bowman: it's it's one of those things so he's going around he's got a uh an ar-15 of
Riley Bowman: some kind which by the way are basically outlawed they have an assault assault
Riley Bowman: weapons ban in massachusetts so managed
Mitch Goerdt: To get one though you.
Riley Bowman: Know you know yeah this is a guy that again was just
Riley Bowman: in jail not that long ago so you know i don't know
Riley Bowman: i don't know how this happened the gun control and all but uh
Riley Bowman: he's just shooting all over the place two motorists are struck
Riley Bowman: uh and uh suffered life-threatening injuries
Riley Bowman: last i heard they're still in the hospital i do hope they pull through
Riley Bowman: our prayers out to them um but
Riley Bowman: get this the guy isn't stopped until he encounters
Riley Bowman: return gunfire from yes a
Riley Bowman: state trooper but also a retired
Riley Bowman: u.s marine who's a license to
Riley Bowman: carry uh or concealed carry permit holder uh draws his gun and and shoots so
Riley Bowman: trooper and marine together basically as far as we this is the only reporting
Riley Bowman: we have together engage this guy in gunfire uh hit him a couple of times and
Riley Bowman: he eventually lays down uh gives up his gun and then he's taken into custody
Riley Bowman: That's the story. Pretty wild stuff. For sure.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. And the secondary headline to all this is the fact that if you go and
Riley Bowman: check, especially the mainstream media,
Riley Bowman: you will basically find that this armed citizen who helped stop this mass shooting, essentially,
Riley Bowman: has been written out of the media's narrative. Yeah.
Riley Bowman: Like, egregiously. it's, it's, it's, it's, it's completely untenable.
Riley Bowman: Like I can't, I couldn't believe it. I I'm like looking up news stories about this, Mitch.
Riley Bowman: And I'm like, I know there was a Marine involved and I read multiple times.
Riley Bowman: We didn't even mention the guy.
Riley Bowman: Right. And I saw video news reports from main,
Riley Bowman: you know, Boston news channels that went on for six minutes, six and a half minutes,
Riley Bowman: one of them talking about this one incident on their news broadcast and don't
Riley Bowman: mention this armed citizen Marine as being a part of it. And I'm like, what in the heck?
Mitch Goerdt: Right. And they don't report his name, so perhaps he wants to remain anonymous.
Mitch Goerdt: And that's fine within his rate. But he played a big part in stopping a mass shooting.
Mitch Goerdt: And, and they make it see it's outside the narrative, you know,
Mitch Goerdt: it's, it's outside the narrative that, that armed citizens aren't,
Mitch Goerdt: aren't stopping anything that, um,
Mitch Goerdt: and they, they don't talk about it.
Mitch Goerdt: It's, it's crazy. but I think that's like I know I've put out a couple stories
Mitch Goerdt: on it on our social media and everything but it's kind of what we have to do here because,
Mitch Goerdt: we are in a time where like,
Mitch Goerdt: In law, all these bills in Virginia and Minnesota and Colorado and Denver,
Mitch Goerdt: they are actively trying to take our rights away.
Mitch Goerdt: But in the media side of things, they're implicit with them.
Mitch Goerdt: They are trying to write us out of history to get rid of the evidence that armed
Mitch Goerdt: citizens are a very, very good thing.
Mitch Goerdt: It makes for a better society to have us out there armed and ready to defend ourselves.
Mitch Goerdt: And you see, like you said, in Massachusetts, like in Boston,
Mitch Goerdt: there's a ban on the gun that he's using to shoot up the whole neighborhood.
Mitch Goerdt: So you have a bunch of law-abiding citizens who don't want to be arrested,
Mitch Goerdt: are following the laws, and are completely underarmed against somebody who doesn't
Mitch Goerdt: care that the law says that he can't have that because he's there to kill everybody anyways.
Mitch Goerdt: So it's sad that they aren't really giving this citizen his due for what he did in that situation.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. It's unacceptable is what it is.
Riley Bowman: And this is, you're exactly right. It doesn't fit the narrative.
Riley Bowman: It doesn't fit the narrative of the political left. It doesn't fit the narrative
Riley Bowman: of the media, mainstream media, which, of course, many would just tie to the political left.
Riley Bowman: And I'm not trying to make this a political thing necessarily because we try
Riley Bowman: to stay pretty politically agnostic on the podcast and stay focused on the issues,
Riley Bowman: which is the Second Amendment, of course, and personal and self-defense.
Riley Bowman: But this is definitely something that we see that, hey, there is a trend that,
Riley Bowman: you know, this doesn't suit our narrative. So let's steer away from that.
Riley Bowman: The narrative here is that you must be highly trained, which, by the way,
Riley Bowman: I'm sorry to say it, but generally speaking,
Riley Bowman: especially those that are just basically beat cops, your regular street working
Riley Bowman: cops are not, they're trained, but they're not like super duper trained. No offense.
Riley Bowman: Okay. And they're great guys. I've trained plenty of cops myself.
Riley Bowman: And I was technically a cop at one time. That's why I'm speaking from experience.
Riley Bowman: Because at the time I thought, I'm like, I'm well trained. and
Riley Bowman: then i found out no really i wasn't all that
Riley Bowman: trained but uh you
Riley Bowman: know and by the way the cop in this story and there's multiple
Riley Bowman: there's others that arrive on scene and they're all they're also part of uh
Riley Bowman: getting compliance from this guy and getting him subdued and taken into custody
Riley Bowman: so but the initial state trooper that uh returns fire in fact his cruiser it
Riley Bowman: says in the report was also hit by at least one round. I mean, he's a hero.
Riley Bowman: He did his job that day. He responded as he should have.
Riley Bowman: He helped bring an end to this mass shooting,
Riley Bowman: but it is unacceptable that the media narrative being told is that you must
Riley Bowman: be a police officer and or a highly trained individual to be allowed, if you will,
Riley Bowman: to fit in this category of may carry a gun and stop mass shooters.
Riley Bowman: Because where I did see some reporting on the Marine helping with this,
Riley Bowman: then every time it's like, well, he's a Marine, he's a Marine,
Riley Bowman: he's a Marine, which by the way, he also deserves recognition for having,
Riley Bowman: you know, faithfully served our nation as a Marine.
Riley Bowman: And yes, he did receive some training. However, unless you're like top tier in the U.S.
Riley Bowman: Marine Corps or any of those branches of the military, you also received a very strong.
Riley Bowman: Marginally acceptable level of proficiency type training on a handgun. Okay.
Riley Bowman: So the level of training and experience is actually irrelevant in this story.
Riley Bowman: It's the fact that is an armed citizen because that's the role he was playing.
Riley Bowman: Ununiformed, he's not a part of the authorities here that's responding.
Riley Bowman: He's just a good man with a gun on this day, choosing to step in and engage
Riley Bowman: and put a stop to this heroically, I might add.
Riley Bowman: There was one great video interview I found with a woman who,
Riley Bowman: this was the best reporting I found on the guy.
Riley Bowman: She talks about how this Marine saved her life, how he suddenly appears at her
Riley Bowman: door, opens her door, tells her to get out, and tells her to run away.
Riley Bowman: And she notices that he is armed with a gun and that he's there taking action,
Riley Bowman: taking charge and telling her, do this, get out of here to save her life.
Riley Bowman: And she complies and she makes an interesting observation.
Riley Bowman: She says this, and I picked up on it and thought it was really interesting,
Riley Bowman: Mitch, where she says, he was ununiformed and I could see that he had a gun,
Riley Bowman: but I wasn't worried. I could tell he was a good guy.
Riley Bowman: And I was like, interesting. very very
Riley Bowman: very interesting yeah and so the other
Riley Bowman: you know media narrative that they like to tell you a
Riley Bowman: lot of times as well armed citizens are just going to get
Riley Bowman: in the way or they're just going to get shot by responding cops or
Riley Bowman: they're going to accidentally shoot good guy other good guys and that almost
Riley Bowman: never happens and in this case it didn't happen at all and this guy is a hero
Riley Bowman: but meanwhile the media is like man never mind we'll we'll file that under the
Riley Bowman: stack of papers over here and we'll just simply focus on the fact that this cop is a hero right
Mitch Goerdt: And and i think that's great
Mitch Goerdt: uh her being there for that news story
Mitch Goerdt: to tell that she she just knew she just knew that guy was there to help and
Mitch Goerdt: and it reminded when you told me that because i hadn't seen that interview but
Mitch Goerdt: it reminds me i'm a big fred rogers fan fan i grew up with mr rogers neighborhood
Mitch Goerdt: But he said when he was a boy and he would see scary news on TV,
Mitch Goerdt: his mother would tell him that he didn't have to be afraid,
Mitch Goerdt: that he just had to look for the helpers because the helpers are always there. Yes.
Mitch Goerdt: And we have – that's the case. I know people say that all the time.
Mitch Goerdt: I see it in our social media comments about how if you engage in something,
Mitch Goerdt: you're just going to end up getting shot. You're just going to be viewed as another bad guy. and.
Mitch Goerdt: It's not giving human beings our
Mitch Goerdt: credit in our ability to recognize who is good and who is bad around us.
Mitch Goerdt: There are people who wear a really good mask, but we're very,
Mitch Goerdt: very good at reading other people at the same time on average.
Mitch Goerdt: And like she said, she knew instantly that that guy was there to help her and not to hurt anybody.
Mitch Goerdt: So I think that this is a really good story and and having her validate that idea and people should,
Mitch Goerdt: should know that give yourself credit that you're going to, that you and the
Mitch Goerdt: people around you, your community are going to be able to recognize who's there
Mitch Goerdt: for, for bad and who's there for good deeds.
Riley Bowman: So thank you for bringing Mr. Rogers into the discussion.
Riley Bowman: I'm also a big fan. And I remember him sharing that same story from his mother.
Riley Bowman: Yeah. Look, look for the helpers. That's awesome.
Riley Bowman: Well, folks, I propose that we, I don't know what exactly we do,
Riley Bowman: but we can't continue to let politicians and big media companies dictate what
Riley Bowman: is acceptable or not for us,
Riley Bowman: especially when it comes to our Second Amendment, our rights,
Riley Bowman: and our ability to possess and carry and use the tools necessary to not allow
Riley Bowman: ourselves to be victims of violent crime.
Riley Bowman: So take that for whatever it is and take that appropriate action where you see
Riley Bowman: fit to do whatever we can to fight back against this damaging narrative.
Mitch Goerdt: We're capable. We are all capable of doing these things.
Mitch Goerdt: Like every one of these stories, minus the retired Marine, we look at him as
Mitch Goerdt: being a little bit more trained than the average.
Mitch Goerdt: But everybody else in this in these stories are just average people
Mitch Goerdt: and that's more often than not who
Mitch Goerdt: is defending themselves they're just regular people and and
Mitch Goerdt: they they they're winning in in that fight and we're all capable of that and
Mitch Goerdt: we should all push to towards more excellence and more more ability and anything
Mitch Goerdt: that we want to you know you want to if you want to be the good guy you should
Mitch Goerdt: be working every day to be become better than you were the day before so train
Mitch Goerdt: train trained, but have, you know,
Mitch Goerdt: have faith and understanding that, that we are, we are capable of,
Mitch Goerdt: of protecting ourselves, of, of having, we, we, we deserve the right to.
Riley Bowman: Of self-defense. It looks like I, I've lost connection with Mitch there a little
Riley Bowman: bit, but sorry, I lost you there for a moment, but I loved what you were putting
Riley Bowman: down, my man, train, train, train.
Riley Bowman: And then you were gone and I'm like, yes, amen, brother, all that.
Mitch Goerdt: Yeah. Same. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't say much more. I was just kind of droning on there for a second.
Riley Bowman: Well, I appreciate your take and your input on all of these great stories here
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