WEBVTT 00:00:15.567 --> 00:00:19.067 And welcome to the concealed carry podcast part of the concealed carry.com network 00:00:19.067 --> 00:00:22.667 brought to you by hk today is 00:00:22.667 --> 00:00:28.307 friday april 24th 2026 as of the recording of this episode we are recording 00:00:28.307 --> 00:00:32.927 live as usual on youtube facebook but many of you listen to us on the podcast 00:00:32.927 --> 00:00:36.327 feed we're glad to be with you regardless of how you're watching or listening 00:00:36.327 --> 00:00:40.387 i'm your host riley bowman joined today by jacob paulson howdy 00:00:41.521 --> 00:00:45.921 And we've got a great episode topic here lined up for you today. 00:00:45.921 --> 00:00:50.521 We're kind of revisiting something we, well, we've probably talked about multiple 00:00:50.521 --> 00:00:56.401 times over the years. We did a dedicated episode on this back in the first year of the podcast. 00:00:56.881 --> 00:01:01.401 So we're bringing it back. The third option is the title of this. 00:01:01.861 --> 00:01:04.521 Why shooting the killer wound is wrong. 00:01:05.141 --> 00:01:05.461 Yeah. 00:01:06.021 --> 00:01:09.381 It's bad. Yeah, we're going to talk about that. So stick around. 00:01:09.521 --> 00:01:11.741 You want to hear what our take is on this whole thing. 00:01:12.021 --> 00:01:17.461 We're going to address a lot of the comments and phrases that get thrown around 00:01:17.461 --> 00:01:19.741 about this particular topic. 00:01:19.861 --> 00:01:23.241 We see it all the time. We want to make sure we set you straight. 00:01:24.001 --> 00:01:28.281 But first, today's episode is sponsored by the 2026 Guardian Conference. 00:01:28.901 --> 00:01:33.441 Hope to see you there. Jacob's sporting the shirt from last year's conference. 00:01:33.701 --> 00:01:35.401 It is a good shirt. It's my favorite one. 00:01:35.661 --> 00:01:41.821 Yeah. Yeah. Me too. I like it a lot too. Each year we have a new shirt, 00:01:41.941 --> 00:01:45.361 a unique shirt for each year of the conference. So all attendees get a shirt. 00:01:45.621 --> 00:01:47.681 That's why you should attend. You get a shirt. Yeah. 00:01:48.261 --> 00:01:52.441 So people will do crazy things for shirts. I was at the NRA annual meeting last 00:01:52.441 --> 00:01:56.281 week, and lots of these boots will give you shirts out if you do certain things. 00:01:56.281 --> 00:02:00.321 Oh, yeah, yeah. You enter the raffle or buy a raffle ticket or whatever the thing is. 00:02:00.421 --> 00:02:04.601 And people lose their minds over a free shirt. Right. It's crazy. 00:02:04.841 --> 00:02:08.641 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, it's a thing. 00:02:08.881 --> 00:02:13.541 So come to the conference to get a shirt, but also to get three days of awesome, 00:02:13.801 --> 00:02:18.461 high-quality, world-class training with amazing instructors. 00:02:19.682 --> 00:02:24.902 And we will feed you too while you're there yeah yeah food included yeah yeah lodging 00:02:24.902 --> 00:02:27.442 Included as well if you don't mind sleeping in the dirt. 00:02:27.442 --> 00:02:31.942 At the range right right yeah you can that is that's great point you can stay 00:02:31.942 --> 00:02:34.642 right there on site if you'd like to do so if you bring 00:02:34.642 --> 00:02:36.782 A tent then lodging is is on us. 00:02:36.782 --> 00:02:42.742 Yeah there you go uh you can also bring a camper or rv and there's uh rv sites 00:02:42.742 --> 00:02:47.482 and hookups uh that you can i think it's power and water i think that's yeah 00:02:47.482 --> 00:02:51.462 i had i had power power and water on my RV last year. 00:02:51.622 --> 00:02:55.322 It is $10 a night on that. So not included, but highly discounted. 00:02:55.502 --> 00:03:01.742 Yeah, yeah. So in full disclosure, I don't recall anybody actually collecting any money for me. 00:03:02.262 --> 00:03:05.042 Oh, Riley ripped off the gun range. 00:03:05.162 --> 00:03:08.622 I asked, I was like, who do I get with? And I didn't get a response. 00:03:09.102 --> 00:03:14.002 Okay, well, they may be less than good at enforcing the $10 a night. 00:03:14.162 --> 00:03:17.422 I'm going to have to pay double next year to make up. So anyway, 00:03:17.862 --> 00:03:23.402 lodging included, or maybe not, I don't know, anyway. 00:03:24.255 --> 00:03:28.215 Guys, I hope to see you in Oklahoma City in September of this year. 00:03:28.795 --> 00:03:34.815 So come join us. September, was it the 18th, 19th, and 20th at Oklahoma City 00:03:34.815 --> 00:03:37.335 Gun Club, a fabulous range and facility. 00:03:37.575 --> 00:03:40.695 We've got combatives courses, legal courses, medical courses, 00:03:40.915 --> 00:03:45.855 shooting courses, all kinds of things that you're going to want to be a part of. 00:03:46.015 --> 00:03:49.015 And the community is fantastic. The people are awesome. 00:03:49.135 --> 00:03:53.615 The meals are excellent. And as we mentioned, pretty much every meal included 00:03:53.615 --> 00:03:58.715 throughout the three days of the event. We got a basic continental breakfast each morning. 00:03:59.835 --> 00:04:02.195 You know, it's pretty decent. We got muffins. 00:04:02.455 --> 00:04:03.335 There's some orange juice. 00:04:03.395 --> 00:04:05.615 Orange juice, milk, coffee is provided. 00:04:05.915 --> 00:04:07.055 Some oranges, bananas. 00:04:07.975 --> 00:04:12.475 Right, yeah. And then lunches are provided for sure are the three days of training. 00:04:13.555 --> 00:04:17.415 Sandwiches and chips and, you know, things like that that you kind of expect. 00:04:17.415 --> 00:04:20.175 And then we've got like a barbecue dinner at least 00:04:20.175 --> 00:04:23.155 for VIP members but hey that you shouldn't be 00:04:23.155 --> 00:04:26.055 at the Guardian Conference and not be a Guardian Nation member 00:04:26.055 --> 00:04:30.915 that's true because you're saving money by being a Guardian Nation member and 00:04:30.915 --> 00:04:34.895 buying a Guardian Conference ticket and then you're going to get access to the 00:04:34.895 --> 00:04:39.235 VIP dinner which is barbecue dinner and then you're going to have a couple other 00:04:39.235 --> 00:04:45.875 dinners provided by sponsors of the event on Friday and Sunday night and yeah so everybody's 00:04:45.875 --> 00:04:48.355 He's gonna get three dinners, three breakfasts, and three lunches. 00:04:48.655 --> 00:04:53.195 VIP members, Guardian Nation members, are gonna get four dinners instead of three. 00:04:53.415 --> 00:04:55.475 That's where we're gonna change that. Yeah, because there's Thursday night. 00:04:55.475 --> 00:04:56.775 Because we also feed dinner on Thursday night. 00:04:56.815 --> 00:04:59.815 Thursday night, yeah. Which is usually pizza, if I recall. Yep. 00:05:00.095 --> 00:05:03.275 So guys, come and join us. Train hard for three days, get fed, 00:05:03.375 --> 00:05:05.215 get a free t-shirt, and we'll see you there. 00:05:05.895 --> 00:05:11.255 Guardianconference.com. Today's episode also sponsored by the ReadyUpGear Dummy Rounds. 00:05:11.985 --> 00:05:14.545 So, what do you want to tell folks about the dummy rounds? 00:05:14.765 --> 00:05:18.625 They're amazing. Today, this morning, I had someone call me. 00:05:20.605 --> 00:05:24.085 Someone whose name, someone who's been on this podcast as a guest. 00:05:24.365 --> 00:05:27.825 And they called me up and they're like, hey, this company just sent me some sample dummy rounds. 00:05:28.365 --> 00:05:30.265 And they're absolutely trash. 00:05:31.245 --> 00:05:33.665 But people think they're good. And I was like, well, make some trash. 00:05:33.665 --> 00:05:37.485 And like, well, I cut this thing in half, and it's got this weird, 00:05:37.705 --> 00:05:41.905 like, they put in, like, a plug, a plastic plug into the brass shell casing. 00:05:42.385 --> 00:05:46.205 And then they took another piece, and they shoved it into the primer pocket, 00:05:46.365 --> 00:05:49.685 and they put, like, an epoxy, like a glue resin over that. 00:05:49.865 --> 00:05:55.085 So what your firing pin is actually hitting in the primer pocket is a glue. 00:05:56.085 --> 00:05:58.745 Okay. But then there's a bunch of hollow space in the middle. 00:05:59.085 --> 00:06:02.585 It's like it took very little work to just take some pliers and pop the little plug out. 00:06:03.685 --> 00:06:08.085 And the polymer itself wasn't a good quality. So the point I'm trying to make is what? 00:06:08.145 --> 00:06:14.745 There's just tons of junk on the marketplace and dummy ammo is a thing that I find highly valuable. 00:06:14.925 --> 00:06:18.105 The way I use it the most is to generate malfunctions in my live fire training 00:06:18.105 --> 00:06:24.045 but there's other applications and the ReadyUp Gear dummy rounds are they're the Cadillac, man. 00:06:24.185 --> 00:06:27.565 They're not priced like a Cadillac but they are truly, in my opinion, 00:06:28.345 --> 00:06:30.925 they're the best dummy ammo you can get. 00:06:32.024 --> 00:06:36.564 For sure. And available in more calibers now than what they used to be. 00:06:36.964 --> 00:06:45.744 So we've got 9mm, .45, .40, .380, .38 Special, or .357 Magnum. It'll work in either. 00:06:46.784 --> 00:06:48.604 And .223 or .556. 00:06:48.924 --> 00:06:50.124 You did it. That's the list. 00:06:50.424 --> 00:06:51.964 Yep. And we'll have .308 soon. 00:06:52.524 --> 00:06:53.524 Yes, soon. 00:06:54.044 --> 00:06:59.824 Yep. I mean, it's been developed, so it should be here hopefully soon. 00:06:59.984 --> 00:07:01.044 Yep, just got to run the production run. 00:07:01.184 --> 00:07:04.504 Yep, yep. It costs some money to do that, so we'll get to that hopefully soon. 00:07:05.144 --> 00:07:08.524 So that's coming, and perhaps some other calibers down the road? 00:07:08.804 --> 00:07:09.204 Perhaps. 00:07:09.404 --> 00:07:16.004 Perhaps. We'll see. Awesome, guys. Where can you find ReadyUpGear dummy ammo or dummy rounds? 00:07:16.504 --> 00:07:19.884 Go to ReadyUpGear.com. You'll find them right there. I'm not going to give a 00:07:19.884 --> 00:07:23.004 specific link to that. Just go to ReadyUpGear.com, and you'll find them. 00:07:23.964 --> 00:07:24.304 All right. 00:07:25.084 --> 00:07:33.444 Before we get into the topic, though, what's new or upcoming or things that are, you know, just new. 00:07:33.624 --> 00:07:35.524 We're a week away from the Girl and a Gun National Conference. 00:07:35.944 --> 00:07:38.424 We'll be there on Thursday, which is the vendor day. 00:07:38.724 --> 00:07:41.664 They kind of have what they call like Tent City. There's a bunch of vendors 00:07:41.664 --> 00:07:44.344 set up there, and so we'll be there as well. 00:07:44.444 --> 00:07:46.184 So if you're going to the Girl and a Gun National Conference, 00:07:46.324 --> 00:07:50.084 which I think like 900 people show up to that event, including staff and instructors, 00:07:50.244 --> 00:07:54.204 then we hope to see you there. We hope you swing by and say hi. 00:07:55.224 --> 00:07:59.064 And we always see a lot of great folk there in addition to attendees and staff. 00:07:59.064 --> 00:08:00.084 There's also the instructors. 00:08:00.444 --> 00:08:04.664 And so it's just a great place to see some friends. So I hope to see you in, 00:08:04.884 --> 00:08:08.704 you know, what is effectively Grand Junction, Colorado here in about a week. 00:08:09.144 --> 00:08:09.584 Cool. 00:08:10.184 --> 00:08:14.844 That's, that's one other thing is, you know, this morning, 00:08:15.604 --> 00:08:18.624 we hit a kind of an important milestone to company. It's a little bit embarrassing 00:08:18.624 --> 00:08:21.224 to admit it out loud, but just to be vulnerable for a second, 00:08:21.704 --> 00:08:26.844 since the war broke out in Ukraine, we've struggled to stay up on medical orders 00:08:26.844 --> 00:08:29.404 on mountainmedmedical.com and concealedcarry.com. 00:08:29.704 --> 00:08:32.824 And there's been times when we were kind of in the green and then back in the 00:08:32.824 --> 00:08:35.584 red and just in terms of backorder situation. 00:08:35.804 --> 00:08:38.804 And it's tough because you don't want people that have to wait weeks to get 00:08:38.804 --> 00:08:40.304 their order that they place on the website. 00:08:40.444 --> 00:08:44.284 But this morning we hit an important milestone where nothing is backordered. 00:08:44.284 --> 00:08:49.584 Like everything on the medical side is in stock and in stock at a level that is sustainable. 00:08:49.764 --> 00:08:51.944 Not like, oh, we got one of these, you know, kind of thing. 00:08:52.164 --> 00:08:54.744 So we're really excited right now. You could go to mountainmanmedical.com. 00:08:54.804 --> 00:08:57.724 You can buy any med kit and it would be in stock and it would ship to you in 00:08:57.724 --> 00:08:58.604 less than two business days. 00:08:58.744 --> 00:09:01.064 Like we've shipped kits today that were bought. 00:09:01.244 --> 00:09:02.304 This morning. Today. Yep. 00:09:02.844 --> 00:09:05.504 So this is super exciting. I was going to, I was thinking, Jacob, 00:09:05.564 --> 00:09:08.484 that you were actually going to go back and not just start with the Ukraine 00:09:08.484 --> 00:09:13.124 war, but really, if you recall, Mountain Man Medical was launched in what, February, 2020? 00:09:13.344 --> 00:09:14.024 Yeah, February, 2020. 00:09:14.284 --> 00:09:18.024 And like a month later, the whole country shuts down. Yeah. And so it was actually 00:09:18.024 --> 00:09:20.364 a challenge being in stock with things. 00:09:20.664 --> 00:09:24.544 Gloves. Gloves were a nightmare for a while. Gauze and bandages were a huge problem. 00:09:24.964 --> 00:09:28.384 Because worldwide, I mean, you had huge demand for medical supplies, 00:09:28.404 --> 00:09:31.744 but then you also had production and supply chain issues. 00:09:31.944 --> 00:09:34.524 It just got way more expensive, and those prices never came down. 00:09:34.704 --> 00:09:39.904 But the Ukraine really, like that war really marked an issue with things like 00:09:39.904 --> 00:09:41.264 chest seals and tourniquets. 00:09:41.604 --> 00:09:43.084 And certain bandages. 00:09:43.084 --> 00:09:48.364 Certain managers like Elias yeah so it yes it's just been and then Israel like, 00:09:50.713 --> 00:09:55.293 to be just political for a second, like when we hand money out to these other 00:09:55.293 --> 00:09:57.453 countries, we expect them to spend it here. 00:09:59.553 --> 00:10:02.613 So like Biden, I don't know how many billions he gave to Ukraine, 00:10:02.753 --> 00:10:09.033 but my guess is a significant percentage, like 80% of that came right back to the U.S., to U.S. 00:10:09.113 --> 00:10:13.453 Companies who sold things because if the U.S. isn't at war, then we have a huge 00:10:13.453 --> 00:10:16.753 industry, probably the second largest industry in our nation that is suffering. 00:10:17.373 --> 00:10:20.933 So we need someone to be at war that's getting U.S. dollars They can turn around 00:10:20.933 --> 00:10:23.233 and use it to buy stuff in America that they need for war. 00:10:23.713 --> 00:10:26.313 And that's all good maybe on the political spectrum. But yeah, 00:10:26.393 --> 00:10:31.053 it caused havoc with our supply chain. And so it's just nice to kind of get ahead of it. 00:10:32.250 --> 00:10:39.390 So we are thrilled to be in the black, you know, with the inventory that we have. Yep. Yeah. 00:10:39.630 --> 00:10:39.950 Good thing. 00:10:40.050 --> 00:10:42.570 So mountainmedical.com, I guess, third sponsor of the episode. Aha. 00:10:42.850 --> 00:10:43.290 Yeah. Oops. 00:10:43.750 --> 00:10:48.470 Yeah. I think we mentioned it last week, but I'm going to mention it again that, 00:10:48.490 --> 00:10:49.790 you know, it's still a thing. 00:10:49.850 --> 00:10:54.750 And that is the redesigned Guardian University platform. 00:10:55.290 --> 00:10:59.010 That's a big deal. And continuing to ongoing, you know, with some work there. 00:10:59.230 --> 00:11:02.050 But it's looking really slick right now. 00:11:02.430 --> 00:11:04.670 And so we hope that you guys will check out Guardian University. 00:11:04.950 --> 00:11:10.470 Go to concealedcarry.com, and there's a link right there in the top button. 00:11:10.550 --> 00:11:13.390 If you're on your phone, then it's in the black menu. If you're on the desktop, 00:11:13.530 --> 00:11:14.910 then you'll just see the word, Guardian University. 00:11:15.070 --> 00:11:18.330 Yeah, yeah. So click on Guardian University, and let us know what you think 00:11:18.330 --> 00:11:22.150 about the newly redesigned video layout and everything there. 00:11:23.290 --> 00:11:27.110 And you did the math. There's like 2,000-something videos. 00:11:27.390 --> 00:11:30.410 There's a little over 2,000 right now, and we're a little bit backlogged. 00:11:30.450 --> 00:11:33.110 We're going to add in some older stuff. so once we get all that stuff added 00:11:33.110 --> 00:11:35.290 they'll probably be in the ballpark of like 2200 videos. 00:11:35.290 --> 00:11:40.030 It's tons man yeah it's crazy that represents like the last 10 years plus of 00:11:40.030 --> 00:11:45.950 of work of filming yeah so and it's like shocking when you told me that number 00:11:45.950 --> 00:11:49.730 i'm like wow like we've we've made a lot of videos over the years we've 00:11:49.730 --> 00:11:51.230 Hit the record button on a camera many times. 00:11:52.460 --> 00:11:56.620 Uh all past episodes of the podcast are in there and uh not all of 00:11:56.620 --> 00:11:58.460 Them actually because we didn't start recording videos of the. 00:11:58.460 --> 00:11:59.420 Podcast yeah yeah so 00:11:59.420 --> 00:12:02.000 Any video anytime the podcast was filmed. 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:04.700 Right uh yes it's is in there it's like 00:12:04.700 --> 00:12:10.260 330 ish podcast video recordings out of the 700 or something. 00:12:10.260 --> 00:12:13.260 Episodes we've done yeah and i was reminded too i saw 00:12:13.260 --> 00:12:16.020 you know recently like like things like shop talk which was kind 00:12:16.020 --> 00:12:21.200 of i i enjoyed doing the shop talk uh videos uh it was kind of a low key you 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:24.100 know just like what we're gonna talk about today and find something interesting 00:12:24.100 --> 00:12:28.300 or unique maybe in the actual shop there you know a product to highlight and 00:12:28.300 --> 00:12:31.600 be like hey we're gonna talk about dummy rounds today for instance speaking 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:34.820 of should just like redo that one because uh 00:12:34.820 --> 00:12:37.940 We probably could redo all of them that's okay. 00:12:37.940 --> 00:12:43.420 Yeah so anyway guys enough about that but uh we're excited to be with you uh 00:12:43.420 --> 00:12:49.380 yeah so let's get into the topic the third option that's that's what we're here 00:12:49.380 --> 00:12:51.780 to talk about. That's really where we want to focus. 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:56.620 But let's start with where we get in trouble. And so there's a couple of phrases, 00:12:56.620 --> 00:13:00.820 I guess we'll call them, that get people in trouble. 00:13:01.780 --> 00:13:05.400 And so we want to make sure we set the record straight on this. 00:13:05.580 --> 00:13:11.420 What I'm referring to is things like shoot to kill, or why didn't you just shoot 00:13:11.420 --> 00:13:13.220 to wound him? Shoot him in the leg. 00:13:13.760 --> 00:13:15.660 Yeah. And I think, I don't know 00:13:15.660 --> 00:13:19.380 this because relatively I'm young in this community, in this industry. 00:13:19.580 --> 00:13:22.820 But here's my hypothesis of how this started. 00:13:23.100 --> 00:13:26.280 My hypothesis is that when... 00:13:26.660 --> 00:13:32.580 Guns for self-defense started to become a bigger deal, which we're really talking like late 90s even. 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:35.940 But when guns for self-defense started to really kind of pick up, 00:13:36.060 --> 00:13:38.400 concealed carry started to be a thing in various states. 00:13:39.420 --> 00:13:42.680 Classes started to be a thing. We're teaching people. Yeah, what happens is 00:13:42.680 --> 00:13:45.700 that you have a lot of students basically saying, like, can I just shoot them in the leg? 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:52.460 Like basically this, like, I don't want to kill someone, so can I just injure them kind of thing? 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:56.540 And so instructors, again, I'm making all this up. This is a hypothesis. 00:13:56.660 --> 00:14:00.320 But instructors basically start to adapt this mantra of, no, 00:14:00.400 --> 00:14:01.200 you need to shoot to kill. 00:14:01.620 --> 00:14:05.540 And what they really intended, what they were trying to communicate at the time 00:14:05.540 --> 00:14:11.420 was, we need to put bullets in the places of the body that are the vital areas 00:14:11.420 --> 00:14:14.920 that are most likely to actually cause a physiological stop. 00:14:15.180 --> 00:14:16.500 And we'll maybe come back to that. 00:14:17.640 --> 00:14:20.680 But unfortunately, like a lot of these kind of cliche type phrases, 00:14:20.980 --> 00:14:23.920 it took on a life of its own and it became a thing. 00:14:24.140 --> 00:14:24.420 Yeah. 00:14:24.420 --> 00:14:28.220 And at a literal level, unfortunately, if you don't understand maybe what was 00:14:28.220 --> 00:14:30.740 intended in the communication, and again, it's a hypothesis. 00:14:30.900 --> 00:14:33.280 I don't really know what was intended. I'm just guessing that's how it came to be. 00:14:33.620 --> 00:14:38.220 But on its own, if you just see it on face value, that's literal sense. 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:42.840 But what it says is you're supposed to shoot in a way consistent with the objective of taking a life. 00:14:43.380 --> 00:14:49.620 Right, right. I agree. That's my perception as well is that it became very popularized. 00:14:50.020 --> 00:14:54.980 And who knows where it started or how far back it goes. But definitely it was 00:14:54.980 --> 00:15:01.440 a cliche in 1970s, 1980s, even into the 90s, even somewhat today. 00:15:01.760 --> 00:15:05.480 But especially like, I mean, you think of some of the great action films from 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:09.500 like the 80s and how many scenes that exist, 00:15:09.680 --> 00:15:12.500 you know, where somebody, you know, shoots somebody in the hand or in the arm 00:15:12.500 --> 00:15:17.360 or in the leg or something like that shoots a gun out of somebody's hand as 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.460 a viable, you know, defensive option. 00:15:21.430 --> 00:15:26.530 And so then like the, the counter to that, well, we'll just shoot them in the 00:15:26.530 --> 00:15:30.350 leg or arm thing is no, no, no, no, no, no. You must shoot to kill. 00:15:30.650 --> 00:15:35.570 And as you described, you know, what we mean or what was intended by that is 00:15:35.570 --> 00:15:44.010 you shoot in a, in a manner in which it very well likely end up resulting in death. Right. 00:15:45.250 --> 00:15:50.170 But, but, but there's a mindset piece here that we've got to figure out. 00:15:50.170 --> 00:15:53.790 That's really where the bulk of this discussion lies is, 00:15:54.882 --> 00:15:59.182 Is there's a difference in me shooting with the intent to kill. 00:15:59.602 --> 00:16:07.002 Like I want to kill you versus I want to shoot to prevent or stop or whatever. 00:16:07.202 --> 00:16:10.002 The thing that you're doing to me or to somebody else. Right. 00:16:10.622 --> 00:16:17.822 And, you know, ideally, like if I can shoot you, actually, I'd rather not shoot any shots at all. 00:16:18.202 --> 00:16:19.302 That's not preferable. 00:16:19.922 --> 00:16:25.482 Yeah, that would be the preference for sure. Right. The point here is that we 00:16:25.482 --> 00:16:29.322 carry a gun in defense for defense, 00:16:29.322 --> 00:16:38.022 and the whole point of that is to stop violent threats or attacks against people, 00:16:38.242 --> 00:16:40.342 against good people, law-abiding people. 00:16:41.482 --> 00:16:48.282 Absolutely. This mistaken cliche is still alive, and I think this is important 00:16:48.282 --> 00:16:51.882 to recognize because I don't know who's listening or what you think when you hear this. 00:16:52.422 --> 00:16:56.682 But like all the time, I have students come to my classes and we're talking 00:16:56.682 --> 00:17:00.262 about the legal whatever and tactics, whatever the thing might be that comes up. 00:17:00.462 --> 00:17:05.822 And it is common, very common for a student to say, well, I was told or my last 00:17:05.822 --> 00:17:09.562 instructor told me, whatever, that, you know, if you're going to shoot, 00:17:09.682 --> 00:17:10.922 like you need to shoot to kill. 00:17:11.842 --> 00:17:19.962 I hear that still all the time. So it is a highly prevalent and still popularized concept. 00:17:20.562 --> 00:17:23.062 And when they say it, when they raise their hand and say, well, 00:17:23.102 --> 00:17:25.722 I was told if you shoot someone, you've got to shoot to kill, 00:17:26.102 --> 00:17:29.422 their mind, the concept that they're holding their brain is not, 00:17:29.722 --> 00:17:31.282 oh, we need to shoot vital areas. 00:17:31.582 --> 00:17:35.002 The concept they're holding their brain is like, dead men tell no tells. 00:17:36.042 --> 00:17:41.822 And that's a part of the problem. And if I can go here now, this is the first, 00:17:41.942 --> 00:17:43.902 I think, thing that has to be addressed. 00:17:44.182 --> 00:17:46.562 If you are of the opinion that you should be shooting to kill, 00:17:46.762 --> 00:17:50.322 I think the first thing we have to address is this, I'll call it legal myth. 00:17:50.582 --> 00:17:53.322 This idea that, well, if. 00:17:54.315 --> 00:18:02.315 If we kill the person, if we take their life, then we reduce our risk of legal action. 00:18:02.595 --> 00:18:05.215 Dead men tell no tales. If I'm the only one who's got a story, 00:18:05.275 --> 00:18:06.215 no one can say otherwise. 00:18:06.575 --> 00:18:08.635 Whatever the thinking is. 00:18:09.515 --> 00:18:13.195 There's an obvious moral issue here, right? Massive moral issue. 00:18:13.715 --> 00:18:19.055 You're more concerned with your potential legal consequences than you are with 00:18:19.055 --> 00:18:20.395 taking the life of another human. 00:18:20.515 --> 00:18:25.875 So that's its own little animal. But there's a legal misconception or a misunderstanding 00:18:25.875 --> 00:18:29.395 here, which is this idea that dead people don't tell tales, which is ridiculous. 00:18:30.115 --> 00:18:33.155 I mean, dead people tell tales all the time. And you might think, 00:18:33.555 --> 00:18:37.075 yeah, but dead people can't sue you. Dead people sue people all the time. 00:18:37.615 --> 00:18:41.035 It's a commonality. I have a brother who's an estate attorney, 00:18:41.035 --> 00:18:46.615 and he gets sued on behalf of and sues other people on behalf of dead people all the time. 00:18:46.995 --> 00:18:50.695 This is a common practice. You know, like wrongful death suits, 00:18:50.935 --> 00:18:55.255 sound familiar? So dead people tell tales through evidence, through forensics 00:18:55.255 --> 00:19:00.075 and ballistics, and dead people absolutely sue you through their estate. 00:19:00.932 --> 00:19:04.232 Or their family members or whatever it might be. 00:19:04.392 --> 00:19:07.992 So the first thing to understand is it's like, well, if there's only one story 00:19:07.992 --> 00:19:11.672 to tell or they can't sue me, then I'm better off. 00:19:11.792 --> 00:19:16.472 And that is highly immoral and just straight up just not true. 00:19:17.272 --> 00:19:22.352 I don't think you reduce risk. In fact, I think you increase legal risk and 00:19:22.352 --> 00:19:24.152 jeopardy by taking the life. 00:19:24.492 --> 00:19:27.572 I really do. And mostly it's because of the potential consequences. 00:19:27.792 --> 00:19:32.392 See, if the person survives, then yes, now two people get to tell a tell and 00:19:32.392 --> 00:19:35.772 maybe there's an argument about what happened. But guess what's not on the table? 00:19:36.032 --> 00:19:40.012 A wrongful death suit. And guess what else is not on the table? 00:19:40.832 --> 00:19:46.812 Charges of potential homicide, manslaughter, and murder because no one died, right? 00:19:46.952 --> 00:19:52.592 So your potential legal consequences drop significantly if the person doesn't die. 00:19:52.752 --> 00:19:58.132 So that's the first, I think, nail that has to go into the coffin to put to 00:19:58.132 --> 00:20:04.992 rest this idea of shoot to kill is this understanding of dead men do tell tales through evidence, 00:20:05.172 --> 00:20:09.172 through forensics and ballistics, and dead people do sue you absolutely all the time. 00:20:09.692 --> 00:20:15.212 And them living is better for you in a legal standpoint from almost every perspective. 00:20:15.552 --> 00:20:22.252 Never mind the fact that when you talk about this dead men tell no tales, 00:20:23.348 --> 00:20:25.708 evidence tells a tale oh 00:20:25.708 --> 00:20:27.148 Yeah man forensics and ballistics. 00:20:27.148 --> 00:20:30.208 You know so regardless of there's 00:20:30.208 --> 00:20:33.108 a live man or a dead man or not like there's still this 00:20:33.108 --> 00:20:36.608 thing called evidence yeah and forensics today are better 00:20:36.608 --> 00:20:39.648 than they've ever been they're always getting better yeah right 00:20:39.648 --> 00:20:42.648 and it's remarkable you know i follow some 00:20:42.648 --> 00:20:45.468 cases here and there and including not even 00:20:45.468 --> 00:20:48.268 necessarily self-defense ones but just sometimes things pop up on 00:20:48.268 --> 00:20:51.108 the news feed about somebody on trial for you 00:20:51.108 --> 00:20:54.448 know like there's one out of utah recently uh where 00:20:54.448 --> 00:20:57.508 uh lady was found guilty for 00:20:57.508 --> 00:21:00.268 a conspiracy to set up her son-in-law to 00:21:00.268 --> 00:21:03.108 be murdered because you know they had 00:21:03.108 --> 00:21:05.808 this big issue between him and and her 00:21:05.808 --> 00:21:09.808 her daughter and and they're like let's just get rid of him and so the mom her 00:21:09.808 --> 00:21:15.828 daughter and the uh that and mom's son so like basically these three members 00:21:15.828 --> 00:21:23.288 of a family all conspire to set up and stage what would appear to be like a home invasion. 00:21:23.548 --> 00:21:28.968 This estranged husband of her daughter is going to come in and he's going to 00:21:28.968 --> 00:21:31.388 threaten them with a knife. And so 00:21:32.386 --> 00:21:36.826 They set him up, you know, and, and they placed a knife in his hand after, 00:21:36.966 --> 00:21:39.546 after he was dead, after they shot them, after they ambushed him. 00:21:39.906 --> 00:21:44.546 And it's like, it just, yeah, I do think there's people that get away with crimes, 00:21:44.546 --> 00:21:48.726 but there's so many people that think they can get away with crimes. 00:21:48.726 --> 00:21:51.546 And the evidence tells a totally different story. 00:21:52.666 --> 00:21:58.826 Yeah. I mean, you know, detective is, is as good as, as they are willing to dig, but yeah. 00:21:59.266 --> 00:22:05.006 Yeah. Evidence does tell a story. And again, we're talking about moral things 00:22:05.006 --> 00:22:09.606 here, but we're also talking about legal jeopardy. And legal jeopardy is higher when there's a death. 00:22:09.846 --> 00:22:12.666 So that's the first, like I said, I think that's the first nail in the coffin. 00:22:13.286 --> 00:22:17.406 I was going to try to find a recent social media post and just have some examples here. 00:22:17.486 --> 00:22:20.926 But there was one that popped up a moment ago as I was scrolling through things 00:22:20.926 --> 00:22:25.846 that basically said, come to my house, F-A-F-O, F around and find out. 00:22:25.846 --> 00:22:31.506 You know like there's just a lot of tough talk online about what people would do 00:22:31.506 --> 00:22:35.046 Well i'll give an example specific to this one because i'll never forget it 00:22:35.046 --> 00:22:40.046 this was about 2016 we published an article on our site it's still there somewhere 00:22:40.046 --> 00:22:43.406 it's very amateur i wrote it and i'm a little bit embarrassed if you went and 00:22:43.406 --> 00:22:46.646 found it but it's something like three things gun people say that ticked me 00:22:46.646 --> 00:22:51.446 off or something like that and one of those things in that article was this like shoot to kill. 00:22:52.286 --> 00:22:56.846 And so at the time, a year or two later, our social media guy basically decides 00:22:56.846 --> 00:22:59.926 to grab this article and share it on social media. It's probably like 2017, 2018. 00:23:00.326 --> 00:23:03.926 And he drops the link and the headline just basically says, shoot to kill, 00:23:04.066 --> 00:23:05.686 like don't ever shoot to kill or something like that. 00:23:05.906 --> 00:23:10.186 And there was a comment, I'll never forget this comment from someone who basically, 00:23:10.426 --> 00:23:15.026 I'm paraphrasing, but basically says, I'm a police officer and my sergeant's 00:23:15.026 --> 00:23:16.206 standing right next to me right now. 00:23:16.286 --> 00:23:20.526 And we're both laughing at your post at how ridiculous it is to suggest that 00:23:20.526 --> 00:23:21.426 we shouldn't shoot to kill. 00:23:21.586 --> 00:23:25.266 Of course we should shoot to kill. That's the only way it's done. 00:23:25.266 --> 00:23:28.246 It's the only way we train people to do it and you're a moron. 00:23:28.366 --> 00:23:29.166 Basically something like that. 00:23:29.731 --> 00:23:34.391 And I remember responding to me like, can I please find out what city in which 00:23:34.391 --> 00:23:38.271 you guys are law enforcement officers so I can let the local media outlet know 00:23:38.271 --> 00:23:42.631 that your law enforcement agency is teaching cops that when they shoot people, 00:23:42.711 --> 00:23:45.191 they should make sure that they die, that the intent is to kill them. 00:23:45.231 --> 00:23:47.931 I think that your local media outlet deserves to know. 00:23:49.051 --> 00:23:53.851 It went silent. And so there's an example of this kind of misunderstanding and ignorance. 00:23:53.851 --> 00:23:58.751 And I don't know if those law enforcement officers might just like be following 00:23:58.751 --> 00:24:02.711 the original intent of the statement, which is, hey, cops, like when you shoot 00:24:02.711 --> 00:24:04.731 at bad guys, aim for vital areas. 00:24:04.891 --> 00:24:07.931 Don't be shooting them in the leg or the arms and their hands, 00:24:07.991 --> 00:24:09.151 you know, that's holding the knife. 00:24:09.551 --> 00:24:13.811 Like go for the vital areas. Yeah. But unfortunately, we don't know. 00:24:13.811 --> 00:24:17.431 For all we know, that police department who commented on this Facebook post, 00:24:17.431 --> 00:24:21.031 to be assumed that they are who they said they were, they're actually telling 00:24:21.031 --> 00:24:23.011 cops, like, hey, if you're getting 00:24:23.011 --> 00:24:27.671 a shooting, make sure you put them down because that's better for us. 00:24:28.491 --> 00:24:34.251 That's insane to me. And then these are cops in some agency somewhere who are 00:24:34.251 --> 00:24:37.191 out there running around with this thought of, like, we got to put them down. 00:24:37.451 --> 00:24:38.671 Yeah. Yeah. 00:24:39.849 --> 00:24:43.949 Hey, a couple of comments I wanted to bring up real quick and just recognize. 00:24:44.329 --> 00:24:48.849 First of all, appreciate Messy Rides on YouTube watching. He's thrilled to catch 00:24:48.849 --> 00:24:51.069 another live episode. Glad to have you watching, buddy. 00:24:53.329 --> 00:24:57.309 There's a comment actually here I wanted to address. 00:24:57.849 --> 00:25:03.669 And this kind of is a similar topic here. And it's from Dale on Facebook. 00:25:03.929 --> 00:25:08.329 He says, Masad Ayyub taught us as citizens to aim for the pelvis. 00:25:09.249 --> 00:25:12.089 Pelvis uh and so like in other words a different 00:25:12.089 --> 00:25:15.169 than you know a different area than high center 00:25:15.169 --> 00:25:20.369 chest or or center mass um so not even necessarily like talking about arm or 00:25:20.369 --> 00:25:26.329 leg or that kind of thing but uh you know a critical structure like the pelvis 00:25:26.329 --> 00:25:33.009 and so i think it's important to to probably first of all point out dale that uh i've i've 00:25:33.863 --> 00:25:37.303 I don't know Moss super well, but I've been in the same room with him. 00:25:37.423 --> 00:25:39.623 I've been on the same firing line with him. In fact, a few weeks ago, 00:25:39.623 --> 00:25:42.703 I was on the same firing line with him in a training class. 00:25:43.083 --> 00:25:46.283 And I'm somewhat familiar with, you know, how he thinks and how he does things. 00:25:46.303 --> 00:25:50.503 And I've read a lot of his works over the years, especially a lot of his articles. 00:25:52.283 --> 00:25:57.123 And I think the correct thing here is to point out that he doesn't say you should 00:25:57.123 --> 00:25:58.603 always shoot for the pelvis. 00:25:58.783 --> 00:25:59.183 No. 00:25:59.183 --> 00:26:05.943 But that that is an option when certain other options are not available to you 00:26:05.943 --> 00:26:08.163 or are not working or are failing. 00:26:08.703 --> 00:26:14.563 So if you had a threat that was wearing body armor or something, 00:26:14.843 --> 00:26:18.683 that would be a viable reason to aim for the pelvis. 00:26:18.683 --> 00:26:24.063 But as a standard practice, I don't think that that's what Masada Ayoub teaches. 00:26:24.403 --> 00:26:27.703 Probably not. Though we do see law enforcement agencies now that are actually 00:26:27.703 --> 00:26:31.303