WEBVTT 00:00:00.017 --> 00:00:04.477 This is the Concealed Carry Podcast, Season 13, Episode 15. 00:00:15.217 --> 00:00:19.157 And welcome to the Concealed Carry Podcast, brought to you by HK. 00:00:19.877 --> 00:00:24.077 Today is Wednesday, April 15th. It's tax day, holy cow. Now, 00:00:24.657 --> 00:00:28.537 April 15th, 2026, hopefully folks are at least, at the very least, 00:00:28.657 --> 00:00:31.077 getting your extension put in if you haven't done anything. 00:00:32.097 --> 00:00:37.837 So anyway, happy tax day to everybody. I'm sure it's your favorite day of the year. 00:00:38.257 --> 00:00:43.277 And if you're a tax accountant, it is definitely not your favorite day of the year. 00:00:43.837 --> 00:00:44.317 Sucks. 00:00:44.557 --> 00:00:46.077 Tomorrow is a little bit better. 00:00:46.337 --> 00:00:47.957 A little bit. Maybe a little bit. Yeah. 00:00:49.537 --> 00:00:53.297 But anyway, we're here with you for another episode of the Constell Carry Podcast. 00:00:53.297 --> 00:00:56.377 Thanks for joining us. We've got, I think, an interesting topic today. 00:00:57.545 --> 00:01:02.645 Uh we're going to talk about uh a major mind mindset shift there's a tongue 00:01:02.645 --> 00:01:05.405 twister potentially for you a mindset shift mindset. 00:01:05.405 --> 00:01:08.205 Shift mindset shift mindset shift mindset shift mindset shift 00:01:08.205 --> 00:01:09.405 You're pretty good at that oh. 00:01:09.405 --> 00:01:10.305 I did better than i thought i would 00:01:10.305 --> 00:01:14.945 Yeah you did you did very well i could see that very quickly turning into something 00:01:14.945 --> 00:01:20.465 other than minds shit you see where i'm going right so anyway it's a family 00:01:20.465 --> 00:01:23.845 friendly program let's move on Welcome to the podcast. 00:01:24.125 --> 00:01:27.585 Today's episode sponsored by HK, in fact. 00:01:27.945 --> 00:01:32.185 We appreciate their support, long time now, support of the Concealed Carry podcast 00:01:32.185 --> 00:01:33.105 for making this possible. 00:01:33.425 --> 00:01:36.665 You guys are hopefully well familiar. 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You'll actually see some of that inaction in the course. 00:04:50.777 --> 00:04:54.857 And for whatever reason, Jacob's been through the course. And even with that, 00:04:54.957 --> 00:04:57.997 he had some aha moments recently. And that's what we're here to talk about today. 00:04:59.265 --> 00:05:05.965 Yes. I mean, the most recent thing that happened is I got some vernacular to 00:05:05.965 --> 00:05:08.565 describe an aha moment that I had several years ago. 00:05:09.085 --> 00:05:15.365 So, you know, we were at TACON in Dallas several weeks ago and you used some verbiage. 00:05:15.645 --> 00:05:20.105 You basically said passive versus active recoil management. 00:05:20.445 --> 00:05:23.685 And I just never heard those words from you or anyone for that matter. 00:05:23.685 --> 00:05:27.645 And I was like, huh, yeah, like those are the words that describe the thing 00:05:27.645 --> 00:05:29.785 I've been thinking about for years. 00:05:29.985 --> 00:05:32.325 You know, like that's been impactful for me. 00:05:32.685 --> 00:05:35.305 So this was the moment I was just like, you know what, now that I have these 00:05:35.305 --> 00:05:39.425 words that I think describe this concept really well, I'm going to go write about it. 00:05:39.565 --> 00:05:47.105 And so, yeah, I published a little article on our site on this topic with that language in mind. 00:05:47.605 --> 00:05:53.045 It was really interesting to me because, and I think I actually want to talk 00:05:53.045 --> 00:05:58.505 about this other thing a little bit as it relates to what you're describing right now. 00:05:58.885 --> 00:06:01.605 And I'll describe what that is. And then what that is, I mean, 00:06:01.805 --> 00:06:09.285 sorry, what that is, is I was surprised when you had me go through your article 00:06:09.285 --> 00:06:12.325 and I read it, of course, and you wanted to make sure that you got everything 00:06:12.325 --> 00:06:14.745 correct and accurate. And so I reviewed it. 00:06:16.145 --> 00:06:21.145 And I was surprised because you're like, I don't remember hearing the words passive and active. 00:06:21.405 --> 00:06:25.165 And I'm like, I know I've said those words before. Talk about recoil. 00:06:25.465 --> 00:06:27.125 But we all know my memory is crap. 00:06:27.245 --> 00:06:33.085 So that's a thing too. But here's what I'm really getting at is there are times 00:06:33.085 --> 00:06:34.325 I've experienced it myself. 00:06:34.385 --> 00:06:40.345 You go to a course, a seminar, whatever, or you're just watching a YouTube video. 00:06:41.198 --> 00:06:45.358 And it's not even about anything that's particularly new to you necessarily. 00:06:47.118 --> 00:06:50.498 Maybe 90% of it's like review. You're like, ah, I've heard this before. 00:06:50.718 --> 00:06:53.138 But then there'll be this one little nugget, this one little phrase, 00:06:53.298 --> 00:06:58.118 a word even, that is like, I mean, it just, it suddenly clicks. 00:06:59.098 --> 00:07:03.698 You identify with it. It just hits you in a way or in a moment or whatever. 00:07:03.698 --> 00:07:07.258 Or it could entirely be something, too, where, you know, two years ago, 00:07:07.398 --> 00:07:12.338 five years ago, 10 years ago, when you were learning such and such concept that 00:07:12.338 --> 00:07:13.858 you just weren't quite ready. 00:07:14.518 --> 00:07:17.038 Like, you're just in a different place now, a different perspective, 00:07:17.218 --> 00:07:18.458 a different level of understanding. 00:07:19.818 --> 00:07:23.418 And, you know, all of a sudden, you know, maybe you heard something similar 00:07:23.418 --> 00:07:25.938 the same or even the same way 10 years prior. 00:07:26.798 --> 00:07:30.358 But it just didn't quite click. It didn't make sense. It didn't jive, 00:07:30.458 --> 00:07:35.358 you know. So that's where I actually wanted to start today was just pointing that out. 00:07:35.558 --> 00:07:40.838 I think that's worth noting that I think for all of us, and I'm talking about 00:07:40.838 --> 00:07:43.458 you and me, and I'm talking about those listening and watching the podcast, 00:07:43.458 --> 00:07:49.078 it's a good life lesson to not think you know all the things all the time, 00:07:49.278 --> 00:07:51.638 including about topics that you think you already know about. 00:07:53.098 --> 00:07:56.198 Because I've heard people make the comment to me like, oh, I don't know that 00:07:56.198 --> 00:08:01.678 I want to go take class such and such from instructor so-and-so because it sounds 00:08:01.678 --> 00:08:06.018 like it's already something I know or I already understand. And, 00:08:06.854 --> 00:08:10.134 I can understand that. I can relate to that because I've been there, done that. 00:08:10.414 --> 00:08:15.534 But I've also signed up for classes that I, upon reading the class description, 00:08:15.874 --> 00:08:19.754 I'm reading it and I'm just thinking, well, it doesn't sound particularly, 00:08:19.754 --> 00:08:23.374 you know, whoa, like I really need that class. 00:08:23.374 --> 00:08:27.374 But it was more about taking the class from that instructor because I wanted 00:08:27.374 --> 00:08:28.934 to see how they taught it. 00:08:29.354 --> 00:08:32.954 And then so I went there in the perspective of I want to see how this other 00:08:32.954 --> 00:08:36.514 instructor teaches something, you know, that may be similar to how I even teach, 00:08:36.714 --> 00:08:38.114 but I want to see how they do it. 00:08:38.434 --> 00:08:43.154 And then they say something in that course that is like, whoa, 00:08:43.754 --> 00:08:47.254 boom, light bulb moment. And it's like lightning. 00:08:48.274 --> 00:08:52.034 Because and i'm not i'm not because i'm not expecting it that's probably one 00:08:52.034 --> 00:08:54.874 one thing because i'm i'm trying to view it from this other perspective and 00:08:54.874 --> 00:08:59.614 all of a sudden something just hits me out of nowhere and it's like whoa okay 00:08:59.614 --> 00:09:03.914 and now i understand something new yeah yeah i was you know and i think that's 00:09:03.914 --> 00:09:05.914 a really cool thing about learning these things. 00:09:05.914 --> 00:09:09.494 Are all journeys right and i think that i think that the the perspective you 00:09:09.494 --> 00:09:12.394 have to have you know what i'll add to what you said or how i'll respond to 00:09:12.394 --> 00:09:15.874 what you just said is the the critical perspective here is just acknowledging 00:09:15.874 --> 00:09:20.434 that we never understand any concept at a complete level. 00:09:20.954 --> 00:09:24.894 Like whatever it is you already know or have learned, you can learn that at 00:09:24.894 --> 00:09:27.074 a deeper level in a more significant way. 00:09:27.394 --> 00:09:29.354 And so it's always a journey. 00:09:29.814 --> 00:09:32.214 So this particular thing, which we haven't really defined yet, 00:09:32.354 --> 00:09:36.454 this active versus passive recoil management thing, I think that the first clue 00:09:36.454 --> 00:09:40.534 for me was something I missed completely, and it was Rob Latham. 00:09:41.574 --> 00:09:46.294 Rob Latham, I think this was an in-person thing. I think we were at a shot show 00:09:46.294 --> 00:09:49.074 in the Springfield Bay, Industry Day at the Range. 00:09:49.714 --> 00:09:52.314 Or maybe it was a YouTube video. I can't remember. 00:09:54.274 --> 00:09:57.314 But it was Rob Latham who said it. And he basically said something like, 00:09:58.514 --> 00:10:00.754 someone asked him something about recoil management. 00:10:00.814 --> 00:10:04.214 And he basically said, what's the big deal? Just let it kick. 00:10:04.334 --> 00:10:05.114 Just let it recoil. Yeah. 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:10.160 And at the time, I remember thinking, no. I don't understand what he's saying 00:10:10.160 --> 00:10:11.680 because that does not compute. 00:10:11.940 --> 00:10:15.780 That does not jive with the files in my brain because the files in my brain 00:10:15.780 --> 00:10:18.140 say the recoil is bad and we have to stop the recoil. 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:22.500 So that was the first clue. And looking back on it now, I look back and I'm like, okay. 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:27.500 At some point, that started to click a little bit. But at that moment, 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:33.640 at that time, which was probably something like 2016 or 2017 or something, it didn't jive. 00:10:34.100 --> 00:10:37.320 I'll give you another clue in the journey I was at 00:10:38.300 --> 00:10:42.280 an event I don't think I should be specific I was at an event, 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:45.700 it was a conference style event and there were lots of instructors teaching 00:10:45.700 --> 00:10:49.980 lots of classes and there was one particular class being taught by one particular instructor and 00:10:51.280 --> 00:10:55.500 it was a recoil management course it was basically like how can you do a mag 00:10:55.500 --> 00:11:00.720 dump and put them all through the same hole in the target do do do do do do 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:04.080 do And it was a loud class to behold, in fact. 00:11:05.160 --> 00:11:09.120 And I remember watching, and this guy, he was teaching all these techniques 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:12.640 to basically keep the gun shooting as flat as possible. 00:11:13.020 --> 00:11:15.180 That was the jam. That was the class. 00:11:16.780 --> 00:11:21.900 And I think that at some point in your journey, shooting flat sounds like the best thing. 00:11:22.280 --> 00:11:25.140 And I think that we even, you see comments on social, it's like, 00:11:25.180 --> 00:11:26.820 look how flat shooting that gun is. 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:30.880 Or look how well you are at shooting that gun flat. right? 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:33.860 Like that's a desirable outcome to have a flat shooting gun. 00:11:34.380 --> 00:11:39.380 And so I'm in this class and this dude's doing it, doing the thing. And I, 00:11:40.316 --> 00:11:44.436 The guy who was teaching the class looked like a linebacker. 00:11:45.116 --> 00:11:47.896 He was just ripped. He still is. 00:11:48.636 --> 00:11:51.956 Anyway, just a ripped dude. I looked at that cat and I was like, 00:11:52.416 --> 00:11:53.556 bro spends time in the gym. 00:11:54.336 --> 00:11:57.916 And a lot of it, or has been, or has. And I do not look like that. 00:11:58.416 --> 00:12:02.116 For those who are not watching the video, I am not a guy who looks like he hangs out in the gym. 00:12:03.256 --> 00:12:06.696 So I remember looking at him and thinking, well, that's easy for you. 00:12:07.316 --> 00:12:10.136 Right like i get that there's techniques you know that all 00:12:10.136 --> 00:12:13.796 of us can employ to try and make the gun more flat shooting but 00:12:13.796 --> 00:12:16.536 like i just am not going to be capable of doing it the 00:12:16.536 --> 00:12:19.636 way you are capable of doing it i don't have i don't 00:12:19.636 --> 00:12:22.396 bring to the table the assets you have and so 00:12:22.396 --> 00:12:26.036 so therefore i'll never be able to achieve the 00:12:26.036 --> 00:12:29.296 same level of performance that you're achieving yeah that's 00:12:29.296 --> 00:12:32.096 that's what i thought and i and around the same time i remember 00:12:32.096 --> 00:12:35.556 thinking the same thing about you riley i'm like looking at riley thinking hey like 00:12:35.556 --> 00:12:38.736 this is a guy who's bigger stronger you know 00:12:38.736 --> 00:12:41.596 working on his grip muscles and for these all 00:12:41.596 --> 00:12:45.216 these shooting related muscles and because he wants to be the best in his class 00:12:45.216 --> 00:12:50.356 and i i'm just not gonna invest the same amount of time into that because it's 00:12:50.356 --> 00:12:54.036 not as important to me and so therefore i will never be as good at shooting 00:12:54.036 --> 00:12:59.876 as that because i just cannot control the recoil the same as all these buff dudes can mm-hmm 00:13:00.823 --> 00:13:04.643 Yeah, I mean, and I fell for the same trap years ago as well, 00:13:04.783 --> 00:13:10.003 you know, looking at really good shooters and some of whom are very strong. 00:13:10.223 --> 00:13:14.863 And there is, by the way, there is a correlation here that I know it was Charlie 00:13:14.863 --> 00:13:16.843 Perez has mentioned this, has talked about this. 00:13:16.963 --> 00:13:19.803 There's a few others that have talked about similar things or have done similar things. 00:13:19.983 --> 00:13:26.043 But like Charlie, I know has, you know, a grip, you know, strength measuring 00:13:26.043 --> 00:13:30.263 tool, right? So you just grasp it, and you just squeeze and see how much you 00:13:30.263 --> 00:13:31.843 can deliver, and it measures in pounds. 00:13:32.763 --> 00:13:35.883 And there's been some people that have applied some thought to this and suggested, 00:13:36.023 --> 00:13:42.143 well, if you can grip with at least X number of pounds, then you've got what 00:13:42.143 --> 00:13:44.243 it takes to grip a gun fine. 00:13:44.403 --> 00:13:46.883 If you can't achieve that, you're probably going to struggle a little bit. 00:13:47.003 --> 00:13:51.583 And I think that's a little bit of an ambiguous number, but let's just say it's 00:13:51.583 --> 00:13:53.623 75 to 100 pounds or whatever. 00:13:54.023 --> 00:13:54.723 Sure. Okay. 00:13:55.323 --> 00:13:58.963 Um what i do know is that there are some really high level shooters like i mean, 00:13:59.603 --> 00:14:02.523 you can look at jerry michelek and you could say well jerry doesn't 00:14:02.523 --> 00:14:05.883 look like he's he's a gym bro he's not a gym bro okay but i've 00:14:05.883 --> 00:14:08.763 i i don't remember if it was charlie or somebody else i know 00:14:08.763 --> 00:14:12.103 somebody's measured jerry's grip strength before and 00:14:12.103 --> 00:14:15.063 it is very very high i don't remember the exact number but 00:14:15.063 --> 00:14:17.883 it's a very very high number in terms of script strength right 00:14:17.883 --> 00:14:21.703 and so and some people are just they just perhaps it's 00:14:21.703 --> 00:14:25.503 genetics right or it could be that they grew up doing a lot of physical labor 00:14:25.503 --> 00:14:28.963 with their hands and arms and they just develop that grip strength or whatever 00:14:28.963 --> 00:14:33.603 right and so there are there's definitely a correlation of some very high level 00:14:33.603 --> 00:14:38.743 shooters that also have high grip strength and that, 00:14:39.533 --> 00:14:41.773 is definitely a help when it comes to shooting. 00:14:42.033 --> 00:14:44.153 Right? Absolutely. And I mentioned this in the article. I say, 00:14:44.473 --> 00:14:46.253 I think I say it two different ways. 00:14:46.353 --> 00:14:50.953 I say, one, that there is a minimum necessary amount of strength to be able 00:14:50.953 --> 00:14:52.353 to manage the gun properly. 00:14:52.593 --> 00:14:56.693 So it's not like, there's no world where like no strength is required. 00:14:57.033 --> 00:15:01.033 There's a minimum requirement of strength. Now that's, like there's just, 00:15:01.153 --> 00:15:03.093 there's a minimum threshold you've got to be able to meet. 00:15:03.493 --> 00:15:05.593 And second thing I say in there is basically... 00:15:06.918 --> 00:15:12.018 Being stronger and healthier and more fit in any ways you want to interpret 00:15:12.018 --> 00:15:16.198 those words definitely has its advantages in shooting. 00:15:17.338 --> 00:15:20.798 That's absolutely a fact. Being stronger, having more grip strength, 00:15:20.938 --> 00:15:27.858 having more whatever physicality, all those things definitely are helpful as a shooter. 00:15:28.058 --> 00:15:31.598 So I don't mean to downplay that. But what I'm trying to contrast is like this, 00:15:31.758 --> 00:15:36.358 the perspective I had back then, this is early in this little tiny journey we're 00:15:36.358 --> 00:15:38.058 talking about with relative to recoil management. 00:15:38.778 --> 00:15:42.398 My perspective was one of like, that's a deal breaker. 00:15:42.738 --> 00:15:46.158 Yeah, right. Right. Like I can never perform at a high level. 00:15:46.298 --> 00:15:48.118 Right. Because I don't have that. 00:15:48.118 --> 00:15:52.318 Your ceiling of performance is like you perceived it as, you know, maxing out here. 00:15:52.578 --> 00:15:56.418 Right. And now you're realizing that, you know, maybe it won't be here, 00:15:56.418 --> 00:15:59.698 but it can get a lot closer to that than what you thought. 00:15:59.838 --> 00:16:02.538 Yeah. You can think of it like a percentage basis, right? Whereas before I might've 00:16:02.538 --> 00:16:05.638 thought like, Hey, 40% of this is physicality. And now it's like, 00:16:05.678 --> 00:16:07.398 you know, maybe, maybe it's like 3%. Yeah. 00:16:07.638 --> 00:16:11.198 You know, so, so it's just not as big of a deal as I used to think it was. 00:16:11.418 --> 00:16:14.178 I completely agree with that. And cause you were just saying, 00:16:14.298 --> 00:16:17.898 you know, there's some minimal threshold in terms of strength to be able to 00:16:17.898 --> 00:16:18.918 shoot a gun effectively. 00:16:18.918 --> 00:16:22.138 And I would actually even push back against that a little bit because in some 00:16:22.138 --> 00:16:26.058 experimentation I've done with where I've were and I've even done some demonstrations 00:16:26.058 --> 00:16:31.658 in class and I'm thinking about doing it more just a basic demo in some of my 00:16:31.658 --> 00:16:38.198 pistol IQ classes to to prove a point here that it really is about this thing 00:16:38.198 --> 00:16:38.978 we're going to talk about, 00:16:39.198 --> 00:16:41.778 which is I'm not going to spill the beans just yet. 00:16:41.778 --> 00:16:47.258 But where I've done some demonstrations where I apply a very weak grip to the gun, 00:16:47.418 --> 00:16:52.118 and usually I'm showing one thing, but I can use that to show another thing, 00:16:52.178 --> 00:16:58.878 which is I can show you just how fast a person can shoot, even with almost no grip on the gun at all. 00:16:59.178 --> 00:17:00.818 There's still a minimum required strength there. 00:17:01.517 --> 00:17:07.517 Minimum but i mean it's it's a very low i would say that almost i would say that anybody can. 00:17:07.517 --> 00:17:09.037 Achieve i'd say any adult can probably 00:17:09.037 --> 00:17:10.077 Achieve yeah any any. 00:17:10.077 --> 00:17:13.217 Adult's going to show up to the range with the minimum necessary strength to get 00:17:13.217 --> 00:17:16.157 This done yeah there's a little bit of a contrast here i'd like to also bring 00:17:16.157 --> 00:17:19.957 into the discussion um you know you were talking about okay there's definitely 00:17:19.957 --> 00:17:25.417 a correlation that there's some high high performers who also have this high 00:17:25.417 --> 00:17:30.097 grip strength and that certainly helps them um i want to bring into the discussion 00:17:30.097 --> 00:17:32.857 a little bit another real-life example, 00:17:33.137 --> 00:17:37.877 which happens to be a couple of little girls out of southern Utah by the name 00:17:37.877 --> 00:17:43.757 of Justine and Jalise Williams, who are, I think at this point, 00:17:43.957 --> 00:17:45.317 they are pretty, you know, 00:17:45.897 --> 00:17:51.697 single or unanimously declared as the winningest female pistol shooters. 00:17:52.497 --> 00:17:56.517 Well, certainly in the case of Jalise, a lot of Justine's titles have been on 00:17:56.517 --> 00:17:58.777 the PCC side, but even still, 00:17:59.137 --> 00:18:02.177 Justine has won a number of titles in carry 00:18:02.177 --> 00:18:05.057 optics division and other things right and when you see 00:18:05.057 --> 00:18:07.817 where they finish they're also finishing right 00:18:07.817 --> 00:18:10.477 there i mean right with some of the 00:18:10.477 --> 00:18:14.437 top guys at nationals and stuff like that and they 00:18:14.437 --> 00:18:18.497 are like barely well in the case of jayleason she's like i don't know five foot 00:18:18.497 --> 00:18:23.017 five foot one maybe little little girls you know i mean they're not girls anymore 00:18:23.017 --> 00:18:28.057 they're they're they're women but they are compared to you know the frank proctor 00:18:28.057 --> 00:18:31.557 somebody I was just commenting about Frank or Mike C. 00:18:31.717 --> 00:18:34.457 Klander or, you know, whomever. 00:18:34.757 --> 00:18:40.917 Like they were talking about a large size disparity, arguably strength disparity, 00:18:40.917 --> 00:18:43.457 but yet they are shooting very effectively. 00:18:43.457 --> 00:18:49.937 And so I'm just bringing that to bear that in this discussion that you can be 00:18:49.937 --> 00:18:56.517 a five foot tall, you know, young lady that isn't necessarily, you know, 00:18:56.777 --> 00:19:00.837 a weakling by any stretch of the imagination, but not what you necessarily consider to be strong. 00:19:00.837 --> 00:19:02.177 But does not look like a Marine. 00:19:02.437 --> 00:19:05.117 Right. Exactly. And yet they can compete in. 00:19:05.955 --> 00:19:12.975 You know 85 90 you know sometimes even plus 90 percent of the winners at nationals 00:19:12.975 --> 00:19:16.135 which is not a small feat i'm just going to point out. 00:19:16.135 --> 00:19:20.515 I mean the higher up you go in the scale of performance the more every little 00:19:20.515 --> 00:19:24.295 tiny advantage matters of course right so when you're competing at that level 00:19:24.295 --> 00:19:26.095 like all this stuff becomes really 00:19:26.095 --> 00:19:30.615 important because any little squeak of performance you can get it matters. 00:19:32.275 --> 00:19:36.995 But, you know, like broadly speaking, when we're talking about an acceptable 00:19:36.995 --> 00:19:42.855 performance level, like I look at my objective in my training not to be the 00:19:42.855 --> 00:19:44.655 guy who can go win USPSA Nationals. 00:19:44.735 --> 00:19:49.575 I look at my objective of being a guy who is, you know, more than capable of 00:19:49.575 --> 00:19:52.895 stepping up to the bat and hitting a home run, right, in a defensive fight. 00:19:52.995 --> 00:19:55.595 Like I don't need to be the home run derby winner. 00:19:55.855 --> 00:20:00.415 I don't care if I'm on the all-star team. I just want to be capable of swinging 00:20:00.415 --> 00:20:01.435 the thing and getting a home run. 00:20:01.655 --> 00:20:05.195 So, so that, you know, that's, that's how I look at this. And I think that recoil 00:20:05.195 --> 00:20:07.375 management is pretty critical in that context. 00:20:07.835 --> 00:20:11.035 Oh, for sure. I think, you know, it's one of the. 00:20:13.256 --> 00:20:17.036 Earliest things i mean that becomes relevant in what 00:20:17.036 --> 00:20:19.936 i teach over a two-day pistol intelligence course is sort 00:20:19.936 --> 00:20:23.316 of like i mean we talk about accuracy and 00:20:23.316 --> 00:20:27.436 we and we you know we do a little bit of a warm-up with that but we jump right 00:20:27.436 --> 00:20:32.236 into grip and recoil management because that's kind of the foundation i think 00:20:32.236 --> 00:20:38.576 of good shooting um if you can manage recoil in such a way that the gun behaves 00:20:38.576 --> 00:20:43.136 predictably and returns back to target for every shot or after every shot. 00:20:44.116 --> 00:20:48.656 There's really almost nothing you can't do with that gun at that point. 00:20:49.176 --> 00:20:53.296 And I think that's where I wanted to go next, Jacob, is one of the big kind 00:20:53.296 --> 00:20:56.456 of breakthroughs in this mindset shift for you. 00:20:56.736 --> 00:21:00.236 And this is what you started with in your article is basically asking the question. 00:21:00.296 --> 00:21:02.476 It's actually the title of the article, by the way. If you guys want to go read 00:21:02.476 --> 00:21:04.636 it for yourself, you can go to concealedcarry.com. 00:21:04.756 --> 00:21:07.996 It was published on April 4th of this year, 2026. 00:21:08.336 --> 00:21:11.356 And it's titled, Can You Reset the Trigger Faster Than the Gun Cycles? 00:21:12.056 --> 00:21:16.296 And that's really the question. And so you're like, can I reset the trigger 00:21:16.296 --> 00:21:21.156 on my gun faster than the gun recoils back and the slide comes back forward? 00:21:21.776 --> 00:21:24.696 Can I reset it that fast? No, I cannot. 00:21:25.536 --> 00:21:33.236 And so therefore, it made this shift, it sounds like, in understanding that, well, 00:21:33.436 --> 00:21:36.896 if I can't reset the trigger any faster than the gun cycles, 00:21:36.896 --> 00:21:44.716 If during the course of the gun cycling, it basically comes back to target somehow, some way, then... 00:21:46.231 --> 00:21:48.071 Then you're good, right? 00:21:48.211 --> 00:21:49.371 I would think of it this way. 00:21:49.631 --> 00:21:50.151 Expand upon that. 00:21:50.331 --> 00:21:54.011 Here's another way of describing this. Let's imagine in a theoretic scenario 00:21:54.011 --> 00:21:59.131 that I had whatever strength is necessary to hold a gun and shoot it and that 00:21:59.131 --> 00:22:00.931 it would experience zero lift. 00:22:01.871 --> 00:22:04.971 It would be literally flat shooting. 00:22:05.691 --> 00:22:11.291 So let's just imagine that, that I am capable of that level of feet, physical strength. 00:22:11.671 --> 00:22:14.531 So if I could do that, would I 00:22:14.531 --> 00:22:17.351 then be able to reset the trigger faster than the slide could 00:22:17.351 --> 00:22:20.871 get back into battery no right so 00:22:20.871 --> 00:22:23.591 okay then let's just assume for a second and this is 00:22:23.591 --> 00:22:26.251 where the other half of this breakthrough comes well the other half of this 00:22:26.251 --> 00:22:29.091 particular part of it let's assume then 00:22:29.091 --> 00:22:31.851 that i i don't let i don't have 00:22:31.851 --> 00:22:34.871 hold the gun so extraordinarily strongly that it's 00:22:34.871 --> 00:22:38.231 flat but it just like it just recoils like it just whatever like 00:22:38.231 --> 00:22:41.371 normal energy would exercise with a very lame 00:22:41.371 --> 00:22:44.091 weak grip uh that it would you know come up and 00:22:44.091 --> 00:22:47.531 slide would go to the rear and hits rears point then it starts to return forward with 00:22:47.531 --> 00:22:50.771 the energy from the spring and comes with its most forward point goes into battery 00:22:50.771 --> 00:22:55.591 in that scenario could i reset the trigger faster than the gun and recoils no 00:22:55.591 --> 00:23:01.351 no so so it's like then if that's the case then then me shooting it flatter 00:23:01.351 --> 00:23:06.971 than other other people can does not allow me to get the next shot any faster 00:23:08.311 --> 00:23:11.031 Yes as far as that trigger pieces is. 00:23:11.031 --> 00:23:15.891 Concerned yeah i mean side acquisition something else But I cannot reset the 00:23:15.891 --> 00:23:20.551 trigger faster than the gun could recoil, even if it was flat. 00:23:21.946 --> 00:23:26.166 So then it's sort of irrelevant then, right? Like there's some elapsed period 00:23:26.166 --> 00:23:28.166 of time during which the gun's going to recoil. 00:23:28.586 --> 00:23:31.326 And in that elapsed period of time, and it's a range depending on, 00:23:31.406 --> 00:23:35.246 you know, arguably, you know, how strong you can hold it. 00:23:35.386 --> 00:23:39.306 But it's kind of sort of not really a range either because the gun cycles, 00:23:39.586 --> 00:23:40.666 the speed the gun cycles. 00:23:41.006 --> 00:23:44.286 The question is, you know, how I'm holding it. So whatever, you could say it's 00:23:44.286 --> 00:23:46.966 a range or you could say it's kind of really a finite period of time. 00:23:46.966 --> 00:23:51.326 Whatever that that time is or range of time is i'm not resetting the trigger 00:23:51.326 --> 00:23:53.286 fast yeah it's just not going to 00:23:53.286 --> 00:23:58.386 Happen i mean well i mean to for those that are mathematically minded individuals 00:23:58.386 --> 00:24:04.426 they like numbers uh this is just a rough ballpark okay because there's going 00:24:04.426 --> 00:24:10.046 to yes uh recoil spring strength and you know or specific mass and the load 00:24:10.046 --> 00:24:12.306 you're shooting and all that is going to be a factor in this, 00:24:12.446 --> 00:24:15.126 but your typical handgun, 00:24:15.646 --> 00:24:18.746 semi-automatic handgun is going to cycle or reciprocate. 00:24:18.946 --> 00:24:23.126 So slide going back, slide coming back forward and into battery is going to 00:24:23.126 --> 00:24:26.226 happen in about six hundredths, maybe seven hundredths of a second. Right. 00:24:26.306 --> 00:24:29.266 And no one on earth is getting split times that fast. 00:24:29.366 --> 00:24:29.906 Not with a pistol. 00:24:30.046 --> 00:24:32.746 Like you can't outrun it. Like this is how some people describe this. 00:24:32.826 --> 00:24:34.126 People say you can't outrun the gun, right? 00:24:34.326 --> 00:24:37.366 You can't, your finger cannot move fast 00:24:37.366 --> 00:24:40.706 enough to to press 00:24:40.706 --> 00:24:43.486 the trigger faster than the gun can get back in the back yeah that's not 00:24:43.486 --> 00:24:47.766 happening right i mean there are people out there who are cranking down sometimes 00:24:47.766 --> 00:24:54.106 0.10 0.11 0.12 you know that that's that's like unbelievable that's like bragging 00:24:54.106 --> 00:24:58.486 right stuff right but i mean if you're the 0.14 0.15 0.16 we're like dang that 00:24:58.486 --> 00:25:02.166 dude moves his finger pretty freaking fast right so so point point zero 00:25:02.166 --> 00:25:07.406 Six yep so that's the point is that no matter like jerry who is well regarded 00:25:07.406 --> 00:25:13.606 for having a very fast trigger finger i mean he's his fastest is typically point one oh yeah. 00:25:13.606 --> 00:25:14.786 Yeah he's not out running the 00:25:14.786 --> 00:25:21.686 Gun like when he's really burning it down so he's still you know 40 slower right 00:25:21.686 --> 00:25:23.386 then that gun is cycling and. 00:25:23.386 --> 00:25:26.086 I and i can't shoot before the trigger can reset 00:25:26.823 --> 00:25:30.843 Right. And it's just not an option available to me. Like the gun has, 00:25:30.963 --> 00:25:33.543 the trigger has to reset before I can fire the next shot. 00:25:33.743 --> 00:25:37.803 So however long recoil takes, I know that my trigger reset will take longer. 00:25:38.723 --> 00:25:43.063 So with that in mind, all of a sudden I start to ask myself like, 00:25:43.303 --> 00:25:45.823