WEBVTT 00:00:15.522 --> 00:00:16.682 And welcome to the Concealed Carry 00:00:16.682 --> 00:00:20.822 Podcast, part of the ConcealedCarry.com network, brought to you by HK. 00:00:22.662 --> 00:00:26.142 Today is Friday, April 3rd, 2026. 00:00:26.542 --> 00:00:30.462 As of the recording here, we're doing this live, of course, but many of you 00:00:30.462 --> 00:00:32.862 are probably tuning in or listening after the fact. 00:00:34.062 --> 00:00:37.582 I am your host, Riley Bowman, and I'm joined today by co-host... 00:00:37.582 --> 00:00:41.222 Jacob Paulson. I was just thinking, man, if today had been Friday the 13th, 00:00:42.182 --> 00:00:44.122 right? Season 13, episode 13. 00:00:44.642 --> 00:00:49.482 I know, right? We dodged it. Dude. Yeah, and I think, wasn't it March? I think had it. 00:00:49.482 --> 00:00:50.942 It was a Friday the 13th last month. 00:00:51.062 --> 00:00:51.482 Yeah, yeah. 00:00:51.822 --> 00:00:55.322 So we could have been all over the 13s. 00:00:55.682 --> 00:00:59.482 Yeah, I saw that. Cursed season 13, episode 13. I was like, oh, 00:00:59.482 --> 00:01:00.982 that's a lot of 13s there. 00:01:03.102 --> 00:01:08.902 So, yeah. Anyway, we are glad to be with you today. We are talking about concealed 00:01:08.902 --> 00:01:14.242 carry positions and kind of break that down. We've talked about this before. 00:01:14.842 --> 00:01:19.102 Probably in a number of episodes in various contexts. So we've done an episode 00:01:19.102 --> 00:01:23.442 specifically about concealed carry positions. And by our checking, 00:01:23.502 --> 00:01:27.842 that episode is so old now, it's fallen off the- It's basically ancient. 00:01:28.102 --> 00:01:32.822 Yeah, it's not available anymore on the current podcast feed. 00:01:32.882 --> 00:01:36.282 You guys may not know this, but when you've been doing a podcast as long as 00:01:36.282 --> 00:01:39.882 we have, for as many years and episodes as we have, 00:01:40.486 --> 00:01:45.826 The podcast feeds only keep so many. I think by default, don't they only keep like 100 or something? 00:01:46.186 --> 00:01:47.506 I can't remember. 00:01:47.786 --> 00:01:51.066 You had to go in and change some setting somewhere just so it would keep 500. 00:01:51.266 --> 00:01:55.026 Yes, that is true. That is true. Part of the challenge, I think actually, 00:01:55.326 --> 00:01:59.506 okay, I think in theory a podcast feed could have as many episodes as you want. 00:01:59.746 --> 00:02:01.026 The problem is bandwidth. 00:02:01.366 --> 00:02:01.526 Yeah. 00:02:01.946 --> 00:02:06.266 Like what happens is it'll crash the server trying to load the last 800 episodes. 00:02:06.706 --> 00:02:10.486 Yeah. So you kind of are trying to balance, like, you know, you got to consider 00:02:10.486 --> 00:02:13.286 how many podcast apps are out there. Probably hundreds. 00:02:13.646 --> 00:02:18.706 And how often are they hitting our site and our server to check for new content? 00:02:19.006 --> 00:02:22.866 And when they do that, they don't just check for anything in the new recency 00:02:22.866 --> 00:02:25.466 of the feed. They check the entire feed every time. Right. 00:02:25.646 --> 00:02:27.746 And it's a text file. 00:02:27.946 --> 00:02:30.126 Yeah, it's an XML file. It looks like text. 00:02:30.286 --> 00:02:33.606 Right. And so, like, the longer that is, the more it's got to check. 00:02:33.866 --> 00:02:37.206 And it has to load that every time. Yeah, exactly. And we try and cache it, 00:02:37.286 --> 00:02:41.126 which reduces the burden on our server for you technical people out there who 00:02:41.126 --> 00:02:41.986 are about to send me emails. 00:02:42.406 --> 00:02:45.366 We do the smart things to reduce the load. 00:02:45.966 --> 00:02:50.346 But, yes, that's the real issue is us finding the balance of how many episodes 00:02:50.346 --> 00:02:53.706 dare we include in this before it's just not wise. 00:02:54.406 --> 00:02:57.706 So, anyway, not that you all needed to know all of that, but in case you wondered 00:02:57.706 --> 00:03:01.966 why you're like, hey, my favorite episode ever is no longer on the feed. What's up with that? 00:03:02.126 --> 00:03:07.406 There's a technical reason why that is. and uh so anyway this is we're going 00:03:07.406 --> 00:03:12.406 to revisit some uh material that we you know there's no longer on the feed we 00:03:12.406 --> 00:03:14.626 thought that this would be a perfect opportunity to do that i was trying. 00:03:14.626 --> 00:03:16.446 To pull it up and see when it was we actually 00:03:16.446 --> 00:03:19.566 Covered that and also while he's doing that uh you 00:03:19.566 --> 00:03:22.326 can still find all episodes if you 00:03:22.326 --> 00:03:27.026 go directly to our website concealed carry.com forward slash podcast for instance 00:03:27.026 --> 00:03:31.846 uh that you can go back and back and back and back and find all the episodes 00:03:31.846 --> 00:03:37.066 so it's just going to be on your podcast feeds or apps that are going to be 00:03:37.066 --> 00:03:40.546 limited to that 500 episode count. Um, 00:03:41.359 --> 00:03:42.519 So, yeah, but. 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:45.179 It was episode 94. 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:46.519 Episode 94. 00:03:47.019 --> 00:03:50.019 That was February 2017. 00:03:52.799 --> 00:03:56.799 We've basically been a year into the podcast experiment. 00:03:57.279 --> 00:04:02.259 Yep, there it is. 2017. So, not only do we have more experience, 00:04:02.379 --> 00:04:07.339 more wisdom, more whatever, but, you know, to your point, the vast majority 00:04:07.339 --> 00:04:09.239 of people listening to this probably have not been with us since 2017. 00:04:09.239 --> 00:04:12.099 That's right. That's right. so yeah we're going 00:04:12.099 --> 00:04:15.419 back basically nine years and uh that's 00:04:15.419 --> 00:04:18.179 that's the whole point of today's episode and aiden on 00:04:18.179 --> 00:04:21.039 facebook's asking where's the best place to put your firearm concealed on 00:04:21.039 --> 00:04:24.459 your person well aiden you're the right place that's part 00:04:24.459 --> 00:04:27.559 of what we're here to talk about that's today's topic very episode 00:04:27.559 --> 00:04:30.899 is the different concealed carry positions we'll talk 00:04:30.899 --> 00:04:33.699 about pros and cons about those positions and give you 00:04:33.699 --> 00:04:37.059 some some food for thought on uh well 00:04:37.059 --> 00:04:39.899 you know because the answer that's best for everyone is or 00:04:39.899 --> 00:04:42.619 for me let's say is not necessarily the answer for everybody or for 00:04:42.619 --> 00:04:45.439 you or whatever but uh so we'll break that 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:49.039 down but today's episode first of all is sponsored by ksg 00:04:49.039 --> 00:04:54.459 armory holsters yes ksg armory holsters makes sense when we're talking about 00:04:54.459 --> 00:04:59.019 concealed carry positions and where you're carrying so uh if you want the best 00:04:59.019 --> 00:05:03.659 concealed carry equipment on planet earth as far as we're concerned with respect 00:05:03.659 --> 00:05:08.219 to holsters we hope that You'll look no further than ksgarmory.com. 00:05:09.159 --> 00:05:10.719 Can I say something about KSG real quick? 00:05:10.899 --> 00:05:11.259 Absolutely. 00:05:11.819 --> 00:05:15.719 Today we had a little powwow out here in the warehouse where KSG Armory holsters are made. 00:05:16.419 --> 00:05:19.339 Several of the guys, when I first got here this morning, we were talking about 00:05:19.339 --> 00:05:22.739 some logistical things and business systems and things like that. 00:05:23.979 --> 00:05:26.359 And it was funny because... 00:05:27.721 --> 00:05:32.961 A lot of our competitors are cranking out what are effectively like cookie cutter holsters. 00:05:33.441 --> 00:05:37.341 You know, it's like, just make it, you know, they make the same every time. 00:05:37.501 --> 00:05:43.361 And that allows those holster companies to produce a high volume at a low amount of time. 00:05:43.581 --> 00:05:43.801 Yep. 00:05:44.081 --> 00:05:48.701 Because it's just, you know, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. We chose a business model 00:05:48.701 --> 00:05:51.141 at KSG Armory that is the opposite of that. 00:05:51.141 --> 00:05:54.121 For better or for worse when you order 00:05:54.121 --> 00:05:57.501 a holster from KSG Armory you're customizing 00:05:57.501 --> 00:06:00.381 it you're choosing a ton of things I think 00:06:00.381 --> 00:06:03.421 that the number one thing that makes the Lexington holster 00:06:03.421 --> 00:06:06.261 which is the flagship holster at KSG special and 00:06:06.261 --> 00:06:10.021 unique is that it's versatility it's 00:06:10.021 --> 00:06:15.021 modularity the idea that you can use it with six different or more than that 00:06:15.021 --> 00:06:19.241 different types of belt attachment clips or systems or hardware that you can 00:06:19.241 --> 00:06:23.341 have adjustable everything adjustable cant adjustable ride height adjustable 00:06:23.341 --> 00:06:26.941 um when you're ordering retention adjustable 00:06:26.941 --> 00:06:27.661 Length of the. 00:06:27.661 --> 00:06:30.321 Whole yes like yeah how long do you want to do it be same length of the gun 00:06:30.321 --> 00:06:32.081 longer than the gun even longer than that yeah 00:06:32.081 --> 00:06:33.561 What sweat guard height do you. 00:06:33.561 --> 00:06:35.221 Want sweat guard height yes you 00:06:35.221 --> 00:06:37.761 Can't choose that from the you know a lot of our. 00:06:37.761 --> 00:06:42.601 Competitors no no no you can't and so that that on one hand maybe that presents 00:06:42.601 --> 00:06:47.261 a ordering challenge for some who are maybe less experienced with holsters and 00:06:47.261 --> 00:06:50.361 they're not sure what they want in that regard and so we're trying to, you know, 00:06:50.601 --> 00:06:54.061 we have order video resources you can watch to try and understand, 00:06:54.081 --> 00:06:55.461 and we have standard configurations. 00:06:55.461 --> 00:06:58.101 You say, just give me the standard thing that most people like. 00:06:58.701 --> 00:07:03.901 But I just want you to understand that that makes, that sets KSG apart in a significant way. 00:07:04.041 --> 00:07:07.381 It creates some business challenges for us because we're making them one by 00:07:07.381 --> 00:07:08.701 one. There's no world where we just, 00:07:09.537 --> 00:07:13.017 crank out a bunch in advance and when you order we put it in a in a package 00:07:13.017 --> 00:07:14.837 and ship it to you because it's not a thing 00:07:14.837 --> 00:07:17.657 Yeah that's right i appreciate you pointing that out 00:07:17.657 --> 00:07:21.117 and i think that is important for people to understand i would 00:07:21.117 --> 00:07:23.757 say this in addition you said it's sort of 00:07:23.757 --> 00:07:27.337 like the opposite business model and i'd say yes 00:07:27.337 --> 00:07:30.097 but we're kind of also somewhere in between a little bit because 00:07:30.097 --> 00:07:33.617 there are holster companies that are truly fully 00:07:33.617 --> 00:07:36.937 custom like where you get to customize like every aspect 00:07:36.937 --> 00:07:40.177 i mean you're basically getting to customize just about every variable 00:07:40.177 --> 00:07:44.337 that you know we can imagine with our holsters but we're still trying to create 00:07:44.337 --> 00:07:49.437 a process that's you know as much as possible straightforward on the manufacturing 00:07:49.437 --> 00:07:55.717 side but still allowing that flexibility of you know you being able to customize 00:07:55.717 --> 00:07:58.497 it to your specific needs or wants. 00:07:59.117 --> 00:08:02.717 You can't upload a picture of your dog and have us print it on your holster we don't do 00:08:02.717 --> 00:08:09.357 That Right, right. Yeah, that's true. So anyway, ksgrarmory.com for the finest 00:08:09.357 --> 00:08:12.257 semi-custom holsters out there, in our opinion. 00:08:12.977 --> 00:08:16.997 We're obviously biased, but we work really hard and people that we trust in 00:08:16.997 --> 00:08:20.517 the industry seem to also agree in many respects. 00:08:20.617 --> 00:08:22.597 Yeah, that or they're paying us lip service. We don't know. 00:08:24.130 --> 00:08:28.370 But there you go. Today's episode is also sponsored by GuardianNation, GuardianNation.com. 00:08:29.510 --> 00:08:34.210 If you want to go deeper than what we do here on the podcast, 00:08:34.410 --> 00:08:36.250 GuardianNation is where it's at. 00:08:37.170 --> 00:08:41.330 I mean, one of the big benefits of GuardianNation membership is you get access 00:08:41.330 --> 00:08:46.530 to our complete library of training content, which is substantial, 00:08:46.790 --> 00:08:48.150 hundreds of hours of content. 00:08:48.170 --> 00:08:51.570 It would take you weeks and weeks and weeks to probably consume it all if you 00:08:51.570 --> 00:08:53.430 were just to really get after it. 00:08:54.470 --> 00:08:59.090 So there's a lot in there and we're constantly adding to that content. 00:08:59.370 --> 00:09:04.110 And in fact, pretty soon we'll be adding a whole new feature length training 00:09:04.110 --> 00:09:08.850 course to Guardian University, which actually is the library of video content, 00:09:08.850 --> 00:09:14.090 which is available to all Guardian Nation active members at no additional cost. 00:09:14.250 --> 00:09:16.430 It's one of the big, big benefits of Guardian Nation membership. 00:09:16.430 --> 00:09:20.790 In addition to that, here in the next few days, in the next week, 00:09:20.990 --> 00:09:24.850 we will be shipping to active Guardian Nation members that have been active 00:09:24.850 --> 00:09:27.750 for the last quarter, at the very least, 00:09:28.190 --> 00:09:31.470 the latest gearbox of stuff. 00:09:31.610 --> 00:09:35.550 We got some cool stuff in this latest box. So really looking forward to sending that out. 00:09:36.400 --> 00:09:39.800 Guardian Nation members also can get access to additional benefits. 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:43.540 I'll just mention one more. We are actively pushing and working hard towards 00:09:43.540 --> 00:09:49.660 our preparations and getting ready for and selling tickets to the Guardian Conference later this year. 00:09:49.820 --> 00:09:55.740 And Guardian Nation members get a substantial discount off of that ticket price. 00:09:55.960 --> 00:10:00.340 It used to be that one of the members of Guardian Nation was we actually envisioned 00:10:00.340 --> 00:10:04.280 this as sort of a, hey, you would get an opportunity if you'd been around for 00:10:04.280 --> 00:10:08.520 a year or whatever. you'd be able to attend a guardian pistol class or something. 00:10:09.220 --> 00:10:13.440 And that just became, well, let's just say we just morphed that into, 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:17.160 hey, we have an annual training conference that is a great, it is the place 00:10:17.160 --> 00:10:21.460 you want to be each year in September, especially if you want to learn and get 00:10:21.460 --> 00:10:23.580 better at all things self-defense. 00:10:24.540 --> 00:10:29.940 So guardian nation members get a, basically the equivalent of a one day class, 00:10:29.940 --> 00:10:35.000 if you will, discount off of attendance at that conference. 00:10:35.780 --> 00:10:38.720 Yeah, and they get some other benefits while they're there at the event as well. 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:42.400 Oh, absolutely. VIP dinner and…. 00:10:42.400 --> 00:10:44.340 Some extra swag or goodies. 00:10:44.700 --> 00:10:48.320 Yeah, for sure, for sure. So we hope you'll join us at the conference this year 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:51.640 in September, 18th, 19th, 20th in September. 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:55.600 And please consider joining Guardian Nation today, guardiannation.com. 00:10:56.556 --> 00:11:00.656 We've been talking about stuff and tooting our own horn a little bit, 00:11:00.736 --> 00:11:04.196 promoting our companies and brands. But we've got one more thing here. 00:11:04.756 --> 00:11:07.956 Jacob and I were talking this last week. We were on the road coming back from 00:11:07.956 --> 00:11:09.796 TACCON, a tactical conference. 00:11:09.976 --> 00:11:13.756 That's another conference different than our Guardian conference. 00:11:14.736 --> 00:11:18.176 It's a good event. We had the opportunity to chat a little bit. 00:11:18.176 --> 00:11:23.216 And one of the things we were talking about was, hey, what if we did a better 00:11:23.216 --> 00:11:29.456 job of letting our listeners, our followers, the podcast know of things we have 00:11:29.456 --> 00:11:31.396 coming up? Sort of a. Yeah. 00:11:31.456 --> 00:11:32.276 What's going on over here? 00:11:32.376 --> 00:11:35.076 Yeah. Here's what's new and here's what's going on. Here's what we got coming up. 00:11:35.276 --> 00:11:39.476 Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if we're going to come up with a segment name for this. 00:11:39.636 --> 00:11:41.456 I don't have anything right now. What's happening? 00:11:41.776 --> 00:11:44.836 No, I don't know. Yeah. It's the one. What's happening? That's super, super clever. 00:11:45.076 --> 00:11:53.996 Good job, Jacob. So for today on the What's Happening segment, what do we got going on? 00:11:54.711 --> 00:12:01.431 Well, we just got done shipping a very substantial order to a European NATO 00:12:01.431 --> 00:12:03.311 military. So we're really excited about that. 00:12:04.191 --> 00:12:08.231 And right now, the biggest thing, project coming up is shipping out all the Guardian gear boxes. 00:12:08.531 --> 00:12:13.171 We just got all the stuff in hand for all that. So we're getting all those out the door. 00:12:13.431 --> 00:12:16.371 But in terms of other things that are interesting, we're pushing really hard 00:12:16.371 --> 00:12:20.611 right now, promoting a brand new line of dummy ammo that we're manufacturing. 00:12:20.611 --> 00:12:26.571 So we used to only manufacture 9mm and 5.56, and now we've finished all the different calibers. 00:12:26.751 --> 00:12:29.211 Those are being made here in the U.S. They're the Cadillac. 00:12:29.431 --> 00:12:32.611 I mean, they're really nice. Yeah. So now we have 380 Auto, 40, 00:12:32.691 --> 00:12:36.111 45, 38 Special, in addition to 9mm and 5.56. 00:12:36.471 --> 00:12:39.371 So a lot of promotional efforts on that, shipping a lot of them, 00:12:39.731 --> 00:12:41.551 samples out to law enforcement, things like that. 00:12:42.011 --> 00:12:45.171 And in terms of events, what's coming up is growing a gun conference and the 00:12:45.171 --> 00:12:48.911 inter-annual meetings are both this month in April, and I'll be at both of those. 00:12:48.911 --> 00:12:53.111 Yeah, that's exciting. I'll just add to that. 00:12:53.771 --> 00:12:59.911 Recently, I added to my training calendar a class in Northern Idaho in the kind of Coeur d'Alene area. 00:13:00.351 --> 00:13:06.291 So if you want to come to do some training with me, I've got a two-day class 00:13:06.291 --> 00:13:08.591 there. I think it's the second weekend of June. 00:13:09.231 --> 00:13:12.631 And so 13th, 14th, I think, are the dates, 2026. 00:13:13.071 --> 00:13:17.631 You can find all of our training classes at class.concealedcarry.com. 00:13:18.331 --> 00:13:22.531 You can find that class listed there as well. So I'd love to see you there if you want to come train. 00:13:22.851 --> 00:13:24.991 You know, you never have to be more specific than Northern Idaho. 00:13:25.271 --> 00:13:28.751 See, in most states, you have to say Northwestern, Northeastern, but in Idaho. 00:13:29.031 --> 00:13:30.891 When you have a nice, long, skinny tail. 00:13:31.091 --> 00:13:34.211 North Idaho is North Idaho. It's both East and West. 00:13:34.351 --> 00:13:38.831 Yeah. Sorry. That is not wrong. 00:13:39.631 --> 00:13:40.031 Yeah. 00:13:40.031 --> 00:13:45.931 So Coeur d'Alene or if you're in like the Pullman, Washington area or Spokane 00:13:45.931 --> 00:13:48.451 or thereabouts, that's probably pretty close to many of you, 00:13:48.611 --> 00:13:51.451 but, uh, be a good time. We'll have a good time there. 00:13:51.751 --> 00:13:55.991 Uh, got some folks signed up already and look forward to doing that. 00:13:56.231 --> 00:13:56.371 Yeah. 00:13:57.159 --> 00:14:00.099 There you go. That's what's happening. There's probably other things, 00:14:00.199 --> 00:14:01.779 but those are the things that come to mind today. 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:09.159 I mentioned a minute ago that the Guardian Nation or Guardian University Video 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:12.739 Library will have a new course added to it soon. 00:14:13.939 --> 00:14:14.919 We've done the work. 00:14:15.219 --> 00:14:18.479 The filming's been done. Now it's about editing, post-production, 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:21.139 marketing, packaging, all that kind of stuff. 00:14:21.719 --> 00:14:25.019 Our video guy, Corey, is actively working 00:14:25.019 --> 00:14:27.839 on that right now we got a bunch of review on that to do 00:14:27.839 --> 00:14:30.559 and no spoilers yeah no not telling what it 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:33.919 is not yet so but uh look for 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:37.939 that it'll be coming soon don't have 00:14:37.939 --> 00:14:42.739 the exact date on that yet let's jump into our uh our topic today so concealed 00:14:42.739 --> 00:14:46.939 carry positions uh where's your gun right now where are you carrying right now 00:14:46.939 --> 00:14:51.599 uh not going to try to tell anybody what to do but do hope that our discussion 00:14:51.599 --> 00:14:54.179 today will provide people some, uh, 00:14:54.359 --> 00:14:56.759 some context, some information, uh, 00:14:57.119 --> 00:15:01.619 some ideas about, you know, so that we, so that we can all think a little bit 00:15:01.619 --> 00:15:03.959 more about how and where we carry our guns. 00:15:04.439 --> 00:15:08.739 Uh, there's, you know, maybe some of you will hear some of what we talk about 00:15:08.739 --> 00:15:11.099 today and go, Hmm, maybe I will rethink what I'm doing. 00:15:11.539 --> 00:15:14.519 Um, or maybe you'll go, no, this is the right choice for me. 00:15:14.599 --> 00:15:17.259 And that's, that's really what this is about is I want you to make the right 00:15:17.259 --> 00:15:23.659 choice the best choice for you wherever you are with whatever you're doing and because. 00:15:24.670 --> 00:15:28.810 Maybe this is a good place to start with some kind of contextual setup of the 00:15:28.810 --> 00:15:32.750 topic, Jacob, but all of us are different in unique ways. 00:15:33.110 --> 00:15:37.810 We are different sizes, different heights, different shapes, different weights. 00:15:38.450 --> 00:15:42.670 We may dress differently. That may be dictated by personal choices. 00:15:42.670 --> 00:15:47.010 That may be dictated by work or uniform. uh it 00:15:47.010 --> 00:15:50.490 it could be you know we all do different activities we 00:15:50.490 --> 00:15:53.310 you know we are going different places doing different things and those 00:15:53.310 --> 00:15:56.110 need to be taken into consideration we live in different 00:15:56.110 --> 00:15:59.370 places different environments different temperatures different 00:15:59.370 --> 00:16:04.450 humidity uh yeah the climate right and so that might be a factor to how and 00:16:04.450 --> 00:16:09.730 where we choose to to carry our guns uh so let's see i'm trying to think if 00:16:09.730 --> 00:16:12.570 there's anything else i missed well and then there's another probably lesser 00:16:12.570 --> 00:16:16.750 discussed aspect of this would be if you have any specific, uh, 00:16:16.970 --> 00:16:18.570 health or, uh, 00:16:18.810 --> 00:16:21.250 biomechanically related challenges. 00:16:21.650 --> 00:16:26.170 Um, maybe, yeah, I mean, one thing that came up and I was just doing some preparation 00:16:26.170 --> 00:16:30.510 for this and it's not something that gets thought about very often is what if 00:16:30.510 --> 00:16:35.590 you have something like an insulin pump that you, that you wear full time, right? 00:16:35.750 --> 00:16:39.270 24 seven. And that could be a factor here or uh 00:16:39.270 --> 00:16:41.910 you had a colostomy and you've got an 00:16:41.910 --> 00:16:45.570 ostomy back you know like that's that's never any fun but that is the reality 00:16:45.570 --> 00:16:50.930 for some people right and so those can also be factors in you know in a relevant 00:16:50.930 --> 00:16:54.510 you know thing to at least be thinking of because i want to make sure as much 00:16:54.510 --> 00:16:59.490 as best we can we're speaking to to everybody out there and considering all these things. 00:17:00.563 --> 00:17:03.803 In one of the classes you taught this last weekend in Dallas, 00:17:04.203 --> 00:17:08.843 in the same class, we had a shooter that basically had one hand, 00:17:08.903 --> 00:17:12.563 not two, and another shooter who was in a wheelchair. 00:17:13.023 --> 00:17:13.543 Yes. 00:17:15.623 --> 00:17:18.583 Limitations that could impact what's viable for you. 00:17:18.663 --> 00:17:21.023 In fact, at that whole conference, there were two individuals, 00:17:21.023 --> 00:17:23.983 at least, that I saw that were in wheelchairs. 00:17:25.203 --> 00:17:29.863 You're right. There was one individual that basically didn't have a hand. 00:17:29.863 --> 00:17:33.923 Their support hand and there's another individual that their support hand was 00:17:33.923 --> 00:17:35.023 missing most of their digits. 00:17:35.963 --> 00:17:38.823 So that's going to, I mean, you know, limitations, but like we have an employee 00:17:38.823 --> 00:17:42.963 here yesterday. This was on my mind because he came into my office yesterday and 00:17:43.918 --> 00:17:46.738 And he said, hey, what are some considerations or things that I should be thinking 00:17:46.738 --> 00:17:49.198 about with reference to shoulder holsters? 00:17:51.058 --> 00:17:55.558 He's, you know, beyond what might be obvious. And at first, it kind of caught 00:17:55.558 --> 00:17:58.718 me off guard. I was like, whoa, what's going on? Why are you looking? 00:17:58.978 --> 00:18:02.878 But then I stopped and, like, processed, like, oh, this is an employee of ours 00:18:02.878 --> 00:18:06.898 who's dealing with some pretty significant physical therapy right now. 00:18:07.398 --> 00:18:10.658 He's got some spinal back-related issues that he's working through. 00:18:10.818 --> 00:18:12.678 He's had a lot of challenges over the last few years. 00:18:12.678 --> 00:18:16.478 It's been a rough year or so or more for him. And so just dealing with a lot 00:18:16.478 --> 00:18:20.178 of chronic pain and trying to figure out how to manage some of these things. 00:18:20.678 --> 00:18:25.258 And that's a great example as well of a limitation in that respect. 00:18:25.698 --> 00:18:29.598 Yeah. Great comment by our friend Dan Brady on Facebook, actually. 00:18:29.778 --> 00:18:31.458 He says, hernia mesh repair causes 00:18:31.458 --> 00:18:36.618 tons of pain, AIWB or appendix inside waistband carry for some people. 00:18:36.778 --> 00:18:42.198 So, yes, there you go. There's another potential thing that's fairly common, actually. 00:18:42.678 --> 00:18:47.078 To have that kind of repair done for hernia. 00:18:47.318 --> 00:18:51.498 So that could be a problem. I know actually a couple of people that do not or 00:18:51.498 --> 00:18:56.178 cannot carry in the appendix position, which has become more and more prevalent 00:18:56.178 --> 00:18:59.418 and popular in the last few years, last decade especially so. 00:18:59.878 --> 00:19:03.818 But I know a few people that that is not an option really anymore because of 00:19:03.818 --> 00:19:05.858 similar hernia type problems. 00:19:06.418 --> 00:19:08.158 Let's start with the WB. 00:19:08.998 --> 00:19:09.478 Yeah. 00:19:09.678 --> 00:19:10.378 The waistband. 00:19:10.578 --> 00:19:11.098 The waistband. 00:19:11.098 --> 00:19:15.538 Because certainly there's a lot of carry positions we're going to get into in 00:19:15.538 --> 00:19:20.918 this episode, but the most common or popular carry positions are on the waistband. 00:19:21.118 --> 00:19:21.218 Yep. 00:19:21.738 --> 00:19:22.378 So – Yeah. 00:19:22.979 --> 00:19:26.339 I think that's a perfect place to start because there are some positions, 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:30.819 if you will, or styles or types of carry that we would probably include as part 00:19:30.819 --> 00:19:33.499 of this discussion that are not on the waistband. 00:19:34.859 --> 00:19:38.859 So let's kind of separate those out. So we're talking about off-body stuff, 00:19:39.059 --> 00:19:42.259 off-body options, ankle, for 00:19:42.259 --> 00:19:46.679 instance, if you're, you know, maybe using like some kind of chest rig. 00:19:46.859 --> 00:19:48.199 For instance, we could put that in there. 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:51.839 Yeah. So we could put that in those, and we'll put those things in that category. 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:53.399 So let's start with that waistband. 00:19:53.579 --> 00:19:57.719 Waistband. So within the waistband, I think that we can start with breaking 00:19:57.719 --> 00:19:59.339 this also into two halves. Yep. 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:03.179 Or I suppose there's two different perspectives. One is wear on the waistband. 00:20:03.379 --> 00:20:05.619 The other perspective is in or outside the waistband. 00:20:05.959 --> 00:20:11.599 So we start with OWB versus IWB. So outside the waistband and inside the waistband. 00:20:11.979 --> 00:20:16.059 Yep. So think, you know, if it's on my pants, but it's on the outside of my pants, then it's OWB. 00:20:16.259 --> 00:20:20.139 If it's between the pants and body sandwiched, then it's IWB. 00:20:20.539 --> 00:20:24.939 Yep. So that's a starting point. And in the concealed carry context, 00:20:24.959 --> 00:20:30.279 which is our arena, we don't see a lot of OWB because OWB is inherently more 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:32.039 difficult to conceal, right? 00:20:32.159 --> 00:20:35.719 Stuffing something in the waistband between the pants and the body means that 00:20:35.719 --> 00:20:37.639 you have the pants to help you conceal the holster. 00:20:37.879 --> 00:20:41.759 Right. And so that tends to be the most common thing we see in the concealment community. 00:20:41.879 --> 00:20:45.499 But I don't think we should swear off OWB and maybe that's the place to kind 00:20:45.499 --> 00:20:47.239 of start and get that talk about. 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:52.559 Yeah, let's do that. But so I'm right there with you as far as outside waistband 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:58.199 carry is less prevalent in the concealed carry context because typically what 00:20:58.199 --> 00:21:02.759 that means is we don't typically see outside waistband in front of the hips. 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:08.639 So it's typically a thing that's reserved for on the hip, maybe even slightly behind the hip. 00:21:09.099 --> 00:21:13.899 So already we kind of end up removing from the discussion. Yeah. 00:21:14.751 --> 00:21:18.971 About half of the waistband where you might carry something outside the waistband. 00:21:20.431 --> 00:21:23.511 And it's not that you can't conceal an outside waistband holster. 00:21:23.631 --> 00:21:28.851 It's just that it is more difficult and typically requires looser clothing, 00:21:28.851 --> 00:21:33.811 which, you know, has its pros and cons as well. 00:21:34.951 --> 00:21:39.671 Typically, from what I've observed for those people that are successful at carrying 00:21:39.671 --> 00:21:42.931 in a concealed fashioned outside the waistband. 00:21:43.051 --> 00:21:47.471 Uh, they're wearing a pretty loose fitting, you know, shirt or something over top or a jacket. 00:21:47.691 --> 00:21:52.891 Jackets were coat jacket vest. Yeah. So, so cold weather actually is probably the most, uh, 00:21:54.118 --> 00:21:58.738 you know, relevant thing is in this discussion, like as far as outside waistband 00:21:58.738 --> 00:22:00.778 carry being viable for concealed carry, 00:22:01.338 --> 00:22:05.698 there's some people that will, uh, maybe they inside waistband carry in the 00:22:05.698 --> 00:22:07.998 warmer months on their hip or thereabouts, 00:22:08.378 --> 00:22:11.858 but then in the winter they'll go OWB because they're, you know, 00:22:11.978 --> 00:22:14.098 every time they're leaving the house, they've got at least at the very least 00:22:14.098 --> 00:22:17.118 a light jacket or a hoodie over top. Yeah, sure. Right. 00:22:17.478 --> 00:22:20.938 And so, I mean, that's, that's an important thing I think to recognize as part of this. 00:22:21.078 --> 00:22:26.078 Yes. I carry OWB consistently every week. Because on Sundays when I go to church, 00:22:26.278 --> 00:22:29.238 I'm wearing a suit jacket or a sports coat or something. 00:22:29.398 --> 00:22:32.858 And so that's a scenario where I choose to go to OWBI. 00:22:32.878 --> 00:22:38.298 It's the best option for me in that when I dress that way. Yeah. So, yeah. 00:22:38.458 --> 00:22:40.778 Well, and that's a context that makes perfect sense. You know, 00:22:40.858 --> 00:22:46.038 if you're wearing a sports coat or suit coat or something or jacket to church, 00:22:46.218 --> 00:22:49.338 yeah, absolutely. I don't see any reason why not. I will say, though. 00:22:49.638 --> 00:22:52.758 At least I can't take my jacket off. Yeah, that's true. you've probably experienced 00:22:52.758 --> 00:22:56.338 this though that you've got to be still fairly discerning with that because 00:22:56.338 --> 00:23:01.878 it's not that difficult for the butt of the gun to print and it's hard for. 00:23:01.878 --> 00:23:03.878 You to straight up you know poke out yeah 00:23:03.878 --> 00:23:07.578 Yeah if you got a pleated coat or something yeah if you got uh yeah exactly 00:23:07.578 --> 00:23:12.478 if you got two uh uh it's not pleats but the tails i. 00:23:12.478 --> 00:23:13.078 Don't know what they're called 00:23:13.078 --> 00:23:20.238 Yeah split anyway yeah i have seen that not to me but i have seen that happen 00:23:20.238 --> 00:23:25.058 to somebody else before where they just, they moved a certain way and the, 00:23:25.824 --> 00:23:30.744 split there between you know in there yeah just actually got caught right on the on the grip of the. 00:23:30.744 --> 00:23:33.984 Gun and that is a thing and and obviously uh i 00:23:33.984 --> 00:23:36.864 think another thing that's worth mentioning before we get off the owb topic 00:23:36.864 --> 00:23:42.784 is just that um there are owb holsters that are designed for different things 00:23:42.784 --> 00:23:47.184 a lot of a lot of owb holsters are effectively duty holsters they're designed 00:23:47.184 --> 00:23:51.364 to be on a duty holster uh and then you have owb holsters that are you know 00:23:51.364 --> 00:23:52.904 for competition rigs you know, 00:23:53.024 --> 00:23:55.284 the speed shooting game. 00:23:55.844 --> 00:24:01.184 So, you know, that's fine too. But an OWB holster that is intended for concealed 00:24:01.184 --> 00:24:02.944 carry is going to probably be a slightly different design. 00:24:03.164 --> 00:24:06.184 It's probably going to go right on a belt. It's probably going to kind of curve 00:24:06.184 --> 00:24:12.944 or hug or intended to be kind of tighter into the body and not kind of offset off of a big rig or belt. 00:24:13.544 --> 00:24:16.684 You know, so anyway, that's another thing that's just worth noting that not 00:24:16.684 --> 00:24:20.384 every OWB holster is intended to be an OWB concealment holster. 00:24:20.684 --> 00:24:21.024 True, true. 00:24:21.764 --> 00:24:25.764 Because we're full of shameless plugs today, it seems, I'll add that my favorite 00:24:25.764 --> 00:24:29.344 is the KSG Trenton. And the KSG Yorktown is not too dissimilar. 00:24:29.684 --> 00:24:32.384 But that's a holster that, while it is outside the waistband, 00:24:32.584 --> 00:24:34.284 it hugs the body pretty tight. 00:24:34.544 --> 00:24:39.364 Yeah. So you're not getting a lot of space that you have to conceal. 00:24:39.604 --> 00:24:42.244 Yeah. Yeah. By the way, those are called suit vents. 00:24:42.604 --> 00:24:43.344 Oh, suit vents. 00:24:43.364 --> 00:24:45.444 So that's a two-vent suit jacket. 00:24:45.764 --> 00:24:46.584 Did you just Google that just now? 00:24:46.724 --> 00:24:49.604 Yeah, yeah. I was like, it's going to bother me until I... 00:24:49.604 --> 00:24:51.364 Your gun could poke out the suit vent. 00:24:51.544 --> 00:24:55.164 Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So... 00:24:55.819 --> 00:25:01.379 Again, the reality of an outside waistband carry is you're taking something 00:25:01.379 --> 00:25:07.179